wtf cdr? space talk continued 2009-10-24T23:59:39-04:00 25 2009-10-24T13:36:06-04:00 true 0 91791 false false 9543 1146 1 2009-11-21T03:44:01-05:00 598 <blockquote><cite>Godmachine said:</cite> jesus christ.....do they allow this shit on your TVs? I watched a docu' on some scientists that found the ark in Greece. And some scientists that proved dinosaurs didnt exist. and some scientists that say the earth is only 6000 years old. You often get 'facts' by 'scientists' on both sides of the debate. You would be better off spending your time and more important is the question: Why YOU believe one side and not the other? Why do you choose to accept these 'facts' and not those 'facts'? Are your 'gut feelings' on something enough for you (and us) to decide what is 'real' and what isnt?</blockquote> i dont typically subscribe to conspiracy theories as fact. They are fun to think about but at the end of the day i just feel like something as monumental as a moon landing hoax had to involve anywhere between a handful to hundreds of people. I cant fathom everyone involved swallowing that secret for 50 years and no one cracking. Im not saying cover ups dont exist but we're basically talking about a disillusionment of the entire human race in one fell swoop. 91791 Post 2009-10-24T13:37:27-04:00 2977271 1146 2009-10-24T13:37:27-04:00 Haha yeah so much for standing up for what you believe in. 91791 Post 2009-10-24T13:39:43-04:00 2977311 7093 2009-10-24T13:39:43-04:00 <blockquote><cite>derekdeal said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Godmachine said:</cite> jesus christ.....do they allow this shit on your TVs? I watched a docu' on some scientists that found the ark in Greece. And some scientists that proved dinosaurs didnt exist. and some scientists that say the earth is only 6000 years old. You often get 'facts' by 'scientists' on both sides of the debate. You would be better off spending your time and more important is the question: Why YOU believe one side and not the other? Why do you choose to accept these 'facts' and not those 'facts'? Are your 'gut feelings' on something enough for you (and us) to decide what is 'real' and what isnt?</blockquote> i dont typically subscribe to conspiracy theories as fact. They are fun to think about but at the end of the day i just feel like something as monumental as a moon landing hoax had to involve anywhere between a handful to hundreds of people. I cant fathom everyone involved swallowing that secret for 50 years and no one cracking. Im not saying cover ups dont exist but we're basically talking about a disillusionment of the entire human race in one fell swoop.</blockquote> However, this "disillusionment" compelled a massive boost for the average American ego. It's really an easy way of claiming you won the space race, while at the same time appearing to still be the number one super-power on a new frontier. 91791 Post 2009-10-24T13:42:33-04:00 2977361 12825 2009-10-24T13:42:33-04:00 <blockquote><cite>derekdeal said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Godmachine said:</cite> jesus christ.....do they allow this shit on your TVs? I watched a docu' on some scientists that found the ark in Greece. And some scientists that proved dinosaurs didnt exist. and some scientists that say the earth is only 6000 years old. You often get 'facts' by 'scientists' on both sides of the debate. You would be better off spending your time and more important is the question: Why YOU believe one side and not the other? Why do you choose to accept these 'facts' and not those 'facts'? Are your 'gut feelings' on something enough for you (and us) to decide what is 'real' and what isnt?</blockquote> i dont typically subscribe to conspiracy theories as fact. They are fun to think about but at the end of the day i just feel like something as monumental as a moon landing hoax had to involve anywhere between a handful to hundreds of people. I cant fathom everyone involved swallowing that secret for 50 years and no one cracking. Im not saying cover ups dont exist but we're basically talking about a disillusionment of the entire human race in one fell swoop.</blockquote> tell that to Michael Tsarion. this guy is a certified loon who strings together half-truths and questionable research as fact. it's interesting to listen to but I have a hard time accepting something as fact from a guy who likes to throw out movie quotes/references and tie them to his flimsy theories. same with David Iche and his lizard people fantasies. 91791 Post 2009-10-24T13:46:10-04:00 2977401 12224 2009-10-24T13:46:10-04:00 <blockquote><cite>derekdeal said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Godmachine said:</cite> jesus christ.....do they allow this shit on your TVs? I watched a docu' on some scientists that found the ark in Greece. And some scientists that proved dinosaurs didnt exist. and some scientists that say the earth is only 6000 years old. You often get 'facts' by 'scientists' on both sides of the debate. You would be better off spending your time and more important is the question: Why YOU believe one side and not the other? Why do you choose to accept these 'facts' and not those 'facts'? Are your 'gut feelings' on something enough for you (and us) to decide what is 'real' and what isnt?</blockquote> i dont typically subscribe to conspiracy theories as fact. They are fun to think about but at the end of the day i just feel like something as monumental as a moon landing hoax had to involve anywhere between a handful to hundreds of people. I cant fathom everyone involved swallowing that secret for 50 years and no one cracking. Im not saying cover ups dont exist but we're basically talking about a disillusionment of the entire human race in one fell swoop.</blockquote> thats what i was trying to say. I was trying to see what people thought, get opinions share facts so yeah WTF derekdeal [: i didn't mean anything off point by posting that.. i just wanted to hear others opinions. because its something that interests me. 91791 Post 2009-10-24T13:47:01-04:00 2977411 38531 2009-10-24T13:47:18-04:00 im pretty sure replying with "its faker than Jordans tits" is not really taking in someone else opinion CDR why did you delete your new tee post? 91791 Post 2009-10-24T13:58:19-04:00 2977491 13042 2009-10-24T13:58:32-04:00 <blockquote><cite>MainframeMedia said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>derekdeal said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Godmachine said:</cite> jesus christ.....do they allow this shit on your TVs? I watched a docu' on some scientists that found the ark in Greece. And some scientists that proved dinosaurs didnt exist. and some scientists that say the earth is only 6000 years old. You often get 'facts' by 'scientists' on both sides of the debate. You would be better off spending your time and more important is the question: Why YOU believe one side and not the other? Why do you choose to accept these 'facts' and not those 'facts'? Are your 'gut feelings' on something enough for you (and us) to decide what is 'real' and what isnt?</blockquote> i dont typically subscribe to conspiracy theories as fact. They are fun to think about but at the end of the day i just feel like something as monumental as a moon landing hoax had to involve anywhere between a handful to hundreds of people. I cant fathom everyone involved swallowing that secret for 50 years and no one cracking. Im not saying cover ups dont exist but we're basically talking about a disillusionment of the entire human race in one fell swoop.</blockquote> However, this "disillusionment" compelled a massive boost for the average American ego. It's really an easy way of claiming you won the space race, while at the same time appearing to still be the number one super-power on a new frontier.</blockquote> I understand the benefits to a hoax. I just havent heard any arguments that havent been explained or refuted to a degree that would keep me in disbelief. Im still open minded though which is why i was interested in the original thread. whatever you believe though, watch what you say to buzz's face http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOo6aHSY8hU 91791 Post 2009-10-24T14:08:30-04:00 2977611 1146 2009-10-24T14:08:30-04:00 <blockquote><cite>CDR said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>derekdeal said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Godmachine said:</cite> jesus christ.....do they allow this shit on your TVs? I watched a docu' on some scientists that found the ark in Greece. And some scientists that proved dinosaurs didnt exist. and some scientists that say the earth is only 6000 years old. You often get 'facts' by 'scientists' on both sides of the debate. You would be better off spending your time and more important is the question: Why YOU believe one side and not the other? Why do you choose to accept these 'facts' and not those 'facts'? Are your 'gut feelings' on something enough for you (and us) to decide what is 'real' and what isnt?</blockquote> i dont typically subscribe to conspiracy theories as fact. They are fun to think about but at the end of the day i just feel like something as monumental as a moon landing hoax had to involve anywhere between a handful to hundreds of people. I cant fathom everyone involved swallowing that secret for 50 years and no one cracking. Im not saying cover ups dont exist but we're basically talking about a disillusionment of the entire human race in one fell swoop.</blockquote> thats what i was trying to say. I was trying to see what people thought, get opinions share facts so yeah WTF derekdeal [: i didn't mean anything off point by posting that.. i just wanted to hear others opinions. because its something that interests me.</blockquote> well maybe dont host anymore discussions so people can post their opinions without the rug being pulled out from underneath them 91791 Post 2009-10-24T14:13:55-04:00 2977661 1146 2009-10-24T14:18:38-04:00 ^ BOOYA! hahaha The waving flag idea I think is completely plausible though. There is no atmosphere or wind on the moon, and even if it were waving while he was planting the flag because of the movement he caused, it wouldn't make it stand at attention like that. EDIT: That "BOOYA!" was in response to the Buzz Aldrin video, not the post above, haha. 91791 Post 2009-10-24T14:15:58-04:00 2977691 12825 2009-10-24T14:17:38-04:00 I missed a moon landing hoax debate?! Dammit! I've read everything from the moon landing was a hoax to, not only did we land on the moon, but we found evidence of an ancient solar-system wide civilization on the moon (large glass domes, spires, etc). What you find in any conspiracy theory are series of jumps in logic. An interpretation of one fact, which may have only a small chance of being correct, leads to another guess, which leads to another guess, which leads to another slim-chance interpretation of another face, and so on. I believe the moon landing was real. Any evidence to the contrary has been satisfactorily explained. I would love to read whatever thread prompted this. 91791 Post 2009-10-24T14:18:59-04:00 2977711 1027 2009-10-24T14:18:59-04:00 Anti-moon landing conspiracy theorists are usually illogical and undereducated. I personally find it highly insulting to all of the people who gave their lives in the pursuit of the moon landing. 91791 Post 2009-10-24T14:22:26-04:00 2977731 44251 2009-10-24T14:22:26-04:00 <blockquote><cite>MainframeMedia said:</cite> ^ BOOYA! hahaha The waving flag idea I think is completely plausible though. There is no atmosphere or wind on the moon, and even if it were waving while he was planting the flag because of the movement he caused, it wouldn't make it stand at attention like that.</blockquote> there's a rod across the top you mean you expected it to be slumped down? just clarifying 91791 Post 2009-10-24T14:22:50-04:00 2977741 1146 2009-10-24T14:22:50-04:00 <blockquote><cite>MainframeMedia said:</cite> ^ BOOYA! hahaha The waving flag idea I think is completely plausible though. There is no atmosphere or wind on the moon, and even if it were waving while he was planting the flag because of the movement he caused, it wouldn't make it stand at attention like that. EDIT: That "BOOYA!" was in response to the Buzz Aldrin video, not the post above, haha.</blockquote> There is a horizontal rod across the top of the flag which makes it stand out and visible. Also this site <a href="http://www.clavius.org/">Clavius.org</a> explains nearly every conspiracy theory in detail. 91791 Post 2009-10-24T14:24:31-04:00 2977751 7093 2009-10-24T14:24:31-04:00 <blockquote><cite>derekdeal said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>MainframeMedia said:</cite> ^ BOOYA! hahaha The waving flag idea I think is completely plausible though. There is no atmosphere or wind on the moon, and even if it were waving while he was planting the flag because of the movement he caused, it wouldn't make it stand at attention like that.</blockquote> there's a rod across the top you mean you expected it to be slumped down? just clarifying</blockquote> Doh! Forgot about the top rod, haha. But regardless, it's blowing around as if there was a breeze from the bottom...I just don't buy it, but you are entitled to your opinion as well. 91791 Post 2009-10-24T14:31:20-04:00 2977831 12825 2009-10-24T14:31:20-04:00 The flag only moves while they are moving it around to fix it in the ground. When it's left alone there is nothing blowing it around. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MunPi3ifqpw 91791 Post 2009-10-24T14:34:07-04:00 2977861 7093 2009-10-24T14:34:07-04:00 <blockquote><cite>DeadRight said:</cite> The flag only moves while they are moving it around to fix it in the ground. When it's left alone there is nothing blowing it around. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MunPi3ifqpw</blockquote> Very convincing, maybe I bought in a bit too much to this theory. I'm pretty big into stuff like this, and probably gave it more credibility than it deserved. However, as I said earlier, the benefits would be pretty great for having the first on the moon whether real or not. 91791 Post 2009-10-24T14:41:21-04:00 2977921 12825 2009-10-24T14:41:21-04:00 Free thinkers are dangerous. Didn't System of a Down say that? I constantly have to tell a girl here that the history channel feeds you propaganda based on what you want to hear. 91791 Post 2009-10-24T15:21:58-04:00 2978171 2961 2009-10-24T15:21:58-04:00 <blockquote><cite>molasses4masses said:</cite> Free thinkers are dangerous. Didn't System of a Down say that? I constantly have to tell a girl here that the history channel feeds you propaganda based on what you want to hear.</blockquote> <img src="http://juliolamas.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/r-lee-ermey1.jpg" /> this guy's got something to say about that. 91791 Post 2009-10-24T17:10:10-04:00 2979571 7069 2009-10-24T17:10:10-04:00 Apparently NASA admitted to having filmed a staged moon landing because the apparent solar flare at the time (which had no damage to the astronauts) had damaged their film on the cameras. And that everyone involved with the staged film had died suspiciously. <a href="http://www.ufos-aliens.co.uk/cosmicapollo.html">Arguments against the moon landing</a> 91791 Post 2009-10-24T18:26:36-04:00 2980271 9328 2009-10-24T18:26:36-04:00 That website is called: www.ufos-aliens.co.uk I don't think I can take anything on there seriously. 91791 Post 2009-10-24T18:28:00-04:00 2980281 12825 2009-10-24T18:28:00-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Gonzo said:</cite> Apparently NASA admitted to having filmed a staged moon landing because the apparent solar flare at the time (which had no damage to the astronauts) had damaged their film on the cameras. And that everyone involved with the staged film had died suspiciously. <a href="http://www.ufos-aliens.co.uk/cosmicapollo.html">Arguments against the moon landing</a></blockquote> I don't trust websites that are that poorly designed. 91791 Post 2009-10-24T18:28:14-04:00 2980291 1514 2009-10-24T18:28:14-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Gonzo said:</cite> Apparently NASA admitted to having filmed a staged moon landing because the apparent solar flare at the time (which had no damage to the astronauts) had damaged their film on the cameras. And that everyone involved with the staged film had died suspiciously. <a href="http://www.ufos-aliens.co.uk/cosmicapollo.html">Arguments against the moon landing</a></blockquote> Well if it's on the internet, it must be true. 91791 Post 2009-10-24T18:32:21-04:00 2980321 1027 2009-10-24T18:32:21-04:00 Yeah, alright. 91791 Post 2009-10-24T18:37:30-04:00 2980351 9328 2009-10-24T18:37:30-04:00 Springs? C'mon, surely enough people have heard about the springs? 91791 Post 2009-10-24T21:32:31-04:00 2981601 6884 2009-10-24T21:32:42-04:00 the moon is not real. 91791 Post 2009-10-24T23:59:39-04:00 2982261 9543 2009-10-24T23:59:39-04:00