Who cares seriously? Discuss. 2009-10-26T12:36:16-04:00 76 2009-10-23T17:28:06-04:00 true 0 91601 false false 9002 506 1 2009-11-20T22:47:11-05:00 1297 Good question. I feel as if when these new labels say something is limited it doesn't really have a value. Being new and all.. I don't care though unless it's a collectible that will be worth money years from now. 91601 Post 2009-10-23T17:32:07-04:00 2969851 13561 2009-10-23T17:32:43-04:00 everything is limited, I think is just a marketing strategy to make things buy based on the fact that they will be one of 100 to buy it and have it. but how can you control. this is taken from the art world, where print number actually mean something 91601 Post 2009-10-23T17:35:31-04:00 2969891 3912 2009-10-23T17:36:32-04:00 anything that says limited on it will never be worth anything. things that are rare are rare because people didnt know they would be so valuable. example: michael jordans rookie card was worth a ton because no one knew he would be so good. Lebron James's rookie card isnt worth piss because everyone in the world knew he was gonna be good. 91601 Post 2009-10-23T17:40:02-04:00 2969931 1106 2009-10-23T17:40:02-04:00 Good point. In print before printers people would use plates. The first plate was the best quality, and by 200 or so the plate would be shit and the print would be terrible. It was limited because it was physically limited to the durability of the plate. In shirts that's an artificial number. So if people are wise to the limited gimmick why shelf a design that is already bought and payed for? 91601 Post 2009-10-23T17:41:45-04:00 2969951 506 2009-10-23T17:45:40-04:00 <blockquote><cite>skull with hair said:</cite> anything that says limited on it will never be worth anything. things that are rare are rare because people didnt know they would be so valuable. example: michael jordans rookie card was worth a ton because no one knew he would be so good. Lebron James's rookie card isnt worth piss because everyone in the world knew he was gonna be good.</blockquote> Well put Yardley, this reminds me of this <a href="http://photobucket.com" target="_blank"><img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/shemademeugly/03F.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a> 91601 Post 2009-10-23T17:43:34-04:00 2969971 13561 2009-10-23T17:43:34-04:00 <blockquote><cite>ExaltedByMark. said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>skull with hair said:</cite> anything that says limited on it will never be worth anything. things that are rare are rare because people didnt know they would be so valuable. example: michael jordans rookie card was worth a ton because no one knew he would be so good. Lebron James's rookie card isnt worth piss because everyone in the world knew he was gonna be good.</blockquote> Well put Yardley, this reminds me of this <a href="http://photobucket.com" target="_blank"><img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/shemademeugly/03F.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a></blockquote> oh you know i have that shit #12 because some asshole (who is my idol) stole his jersey before the game haha! 91601 Post 2009-10-23T17:44:41-04:00 2969981 1106 2009-10-23T17:44:41-04:00 Hahaha really??? Dude.. I never knew the story for this. I just knew it was worth money when I got it in my pack.. It's still worth like 4.00 bones now haha. 91601 Post 2009-10-23T17:46:33-04:00 2970001 13561 2009-10-23T17:48:10-04:00 Is their even a market for rare collectable tee shirts? Why bother? 91601 Post 2009-10-23T17:56:02-04:00 2970051 506 2009-10-23T17:56:17-04:00 <blockquote><cite>quakerninja said:</cite> Is their even a market for rare collectable tee shirts? Why bother?</blockquote> I think the problem with limited shirts is people get limited and valuable mixed up.Over winter I'm printing like 15 shirts at most myself in my room to sell of one of my pieces of art but I'm not gonna sell them for 50 bucks like these RARE company's. It is cool to have a shirt that feels personal because it is rare I think. 91601 Post 2009-10-23T17:59:14-04:00 2970071 4110 2009-10-23T17:59:14-04:00 <blockquote><cite>quakerninja said:</cite> Is their even a market for rare collectable tee shirts? Why bother?</blockquote> People would find themselves in a much better fiscal situation collecting rare watches instead of rare shirts. 91601 Post 2009-10-23T18:00:53-04:00 2970091 44251 2009-10-23T18:00:53-04:00 beanie babies 91601 Post 2009-10-23T18:35:17-04:00 2970321 11245 2009-10-23T18:35:17-04:00 <blockquote><cite>hansparker said:</cite> beanie babies</blockquote> it is so important that you have this... <img src="http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/511z8HNTSWL._SL500_AA280_.jpg" /> 91601 Post 2009-10-23T18:37:47-04:00 2970361 1106 2009-10-23T18:37:47-04:00 I think it has more to do with the idea of owning something more individualistic, also a sortof "buy before their gone!" incentive. But of course every t-shirt with a stock of less than <b>infinity</b> can and is labeled as 'limited', so yeah nobody really cares. 91601 Post 2009-10-23T18:47:49-04:00 2970441 13282 2009-10-23T18:47:49-04:00 my interpretation of limited is not something that will eventually make me money, but i'll have something that not very many people have. i like to have trainers that no one else in my town has, shirts, caps etc. it's about individuality as Omnitarian has touched on. And i think its a good thing from that respect to have limited items in a standard range of clothing. Some people don't mind wearing something hundreds of other people wear, but others want something more unique. 91601 Post 2009-10-23T19:07:17-04:00 2970631 64781 2009-10-23T19:07:17-04:00 <blockquote><cite>remz said:</cite> my interpretation of limited is not something that will eventually make me money, but i'll have something that not very many people have. i like to have trainers that no one else in my town has, shirts, caps etc. it's about individuality as Omnitarian has touched on. And i think its a good thing from that respect to have limited items in a standard range of clothing. Some people don't mind wearing something hundreds of other people wear, but others want something more unique.</blockquote> I agree with that. I think most people buy limited tees not because they think it'll be worth something, but because they like having something exclusive. 91601 Post 2009-10-23T19:22:01-04:00 2970791 12432 2009-10-23T19:22:01-04:00 I buy if I know that nobody near my place will have it :) And I don't care about how limited it is! 91601 Post 2009-10-23T19:22:52-04:00 2970821 1864 2009-10-23T19:22:52-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Omnitarian said:</cite> I think it has more to do with the idea of owning something more individualistic, also a sortof "buy before their gone!" incentive. </blockquote> ^ this. it's the only reason why I've ordered from shirt.woot and teefury. 91601 Post 2009-10-23T19:27:06-04:00 2970861 12224 2009-10-23T19:27:06-04:00 Johnny Cupcakes always talks about doing limited edition as a reason for his success. I don't think it's the main reason to his success and you can't just make something limited edition and make it sell. I put no weight in limited edition stuff at all. 91601 Post 2009-10-23T19:33:43-04:00 2970891 1219 2009-10-23T19:33:43-04:00 I buy Limited Records / CDs when you're getting something extra that you can't get elsewhere. 91601 Post 2009-10-23T19:49:18-04:00 2971001 3005 2009-10-23T19:49:18-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Jon Kruse said:</cite> Johnny Cupcakes always talks about doing limited edition as a reason for his success. I don't think it's the main reason to his success and you can't just make something limited edition and make it sell. I put no weight in limited edition stuff at all.</blockquote> unfortunately, his fanboy customers seem to put a lot of weight into ltd edition. he's not doing anything groundbreaking either which is what makes it so confusing. a lot of the big name streetwear brands that came before him were doing the same thing. 91601 Post 2009-10-23T20:09:53-04:00 2971201 12224 2009-10-23T20:09:53-04:00 limited: pretending your product has value to cover up that you cant afford to invest enough to make more 91601 Post 2009-10-23T20:13:47-04:00 2971241 4435 2009-10-23T20:13:47-04:00 <blockquote><cite>ExaltedByMark. said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>skull with hair said:</cite> anything that says limited on it will never be worth anything. things that are rare are rare because people didnt know they would be so valuable. example: michael jordans rookie card was worth a ton because no one knew he would be so good. Lebron James's rookie card isnt worth piss because everyone in the world knew he was gonna be good.</blockquote> Well put Yardley, this reminds me of this <a href="http://photobucket.com" target="_blank"><img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/shemademeugly/03F.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a></blockquote> I so have that card is it worth anything 91601 Post 2009-10-23T22:03:28-04:00 2972191 3021 2009-10-23T22:03:28-04:00 <blockquote><cite>biotwist said:</cite> limited: pretending your product has value to cover up that you cant afford to invest enough to make more</blockquote> LOL! Best answer! Limited edition is marketing ploy to get you to buy the product faster, because of its scarcity. Low supply, high demand. Technically, a company like GAP can produce 10'000 shirts of one design and still call it limited edition, given the global reach of the brand. So it's all relative. 91601 Post 2009-10-23T22:11:18-04:00 2972341 1259 2009-10-23T22:11:18-04:00 i started doing "limited" tees but made it so i dont do reprints. so, if you want it, grab it before its gone, but im not printing 36 and calling it limited because a) i have no money to make shirts or b) i dont think id sell them otherwise. some people do like knowing that only say 85 people in the world can have it, etc. 91601 Post 2009-10-23T22:28:06-04:00 2972481 1271 2009-10-23T22:28:06-04:00 I'm a sucker for the words "limited edition" and <img src="http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/apparel/brand/logos/limited_too_logo._V257481215_.jpg" /> but mostly I like being part of something that only a few others in the world are also a part of. style is important to me and I don't like wearing anything I'll see multiple times a day at school or at shows. 91601 Post 2009-10-23T22:32:17-04:00 2972521 1404 2009-10-23T22:44:11-04:00 yeah i hear a lot of people saying this about having shoes or something no one else will have, when in reality most times they have the exact same air max or dunks as everyone else only theirs are colored like Charlie Brown or Skittles. i am not arguing that it is most peoples intention to be more of an individual by having these products, i am simply stating that it doesn't actually work. 91601 Post 2009-10-23T22:38:53-04:00 2972611 1106 2009-10-23T22:39:31-04:00 <blockquote><cite>disembodied head said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Jon Kruse said:</cite> Johnny Cupcakes always talks about doing limited edition as a reason for his success. I don't think it's the main reason to his success and you can't just make something limited edition and make it sell. I put no weight in limited edition stuff at all.</blockquote> unfortunately, his fanboy customers seem to put a lot of weight into ltd edition. he's not doing anything groundbreaking either which is what makes it so confusing. a lot of the big name streetwear brands that came before him were doing the same thing.</blockquote> Fanboy customers? My customers are all over the world and of different ages + styles. Fanboy seems a bit off. Easy slapshot-- It's a lot more than just having limited edition t-shirts and sponsoring 'x' amount of bands. Starting an internet t-shirt line may seem easy to you... however-- maintaining + developing an international, successful brand with longevity is a much more difficult yet respectable + rewarding task. I'm not doing anything groundbreaking? In some peoples opinion, maybe. However, I think I'm doing a bit more than your brand and it's non-existing website. To answer this threads topic/question-- it seems as if everyone is under the impression that limited edition will sell. I think most people become blinded by that, and lose site of all other brand aspects. When it comes down to it, success comes from hard work, dedication, motivation, straying away from the norm/rat race.. and maybe some risk taking. 91601 Post 2009-10-24T01:25:30-04:00 2973681 4903 2009-10-24T01:39:01-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Johnny Cupcakes said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>disembodied head said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Jon Kruse said:</cite> Johnny Cupcakes always talks about doing limited edition as a reason for his success. I don't think it's the main reason to his success and you can't just make something limited edition and make it sell. I put no weight in limited edition stuff at all.</blockquote> unfortunately, his fanboy customers seem to put a lot of weight into ltd edition. he's not doing anything groundbreaking either which is what makes it so confusing. a lot of the big name streetwear brands that came before him were doing the same thing.</blockquote> Fanboy customers? My customers are all over the world and of different ages + styles. Fanboy seems a bit off. Easy slapshot-- It's a lot more than just having limited edition t-shirts. Starting an internet t-shirt line may seem easy to you... however-- maintaining + developing an international, successful brand with longevity is a much more difficult yet respectable task. I'm not doing anything groundbreaking? In some peoples opinion, maybe. However, I think I'm doing a bit more than your brand and it's non-existing website.</blockquote> you have just been cupcaked 91601 Post 2009-10-24T01:32:39-04:00 2973751 3021 2009-10-24T01:32:39-04:00 <img src="http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/9610/ohsnap22583181.gif" /> 91601 Post 2009-10-24T01:32:39-04:00 2973761 8948 2009-10-24T01:37:32-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Ameeee said:</cite> I buy Limited Records / CDs when you're getting something extra that you can't get elsewhere.</blockquote> totally agree with that! I have limited edition versions of albums not because they were rare or 'going to be worth something', but purely because you got something a little more for buying the limited version. 91601 Post 2009-10-24T01:42:43-04:00 2973791 9930 2009-10-24T01:42:43-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Michael Partridge said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Ameeee said:</cite> I buy Limited Records / CDs when you're getting something extra that you can't get elsewhere.</blockquote> totally agree with that! I have limited edition versions of albums not because they were rare or 'going to be worth something', but purely because you got something a little more for buying the limited version.</blockquote> Yeah, it is fun. However, it shouldn't be a new clothing lines first priority. 91601 Post 2009-10-24T01:45:18-04:00 2973821 4903 2009-10-24T01:45:18-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Johnny Cupcakes said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Michael Partridge said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Ameeee said:</cite> I buy Limited Records / CDs when you're getting something extra that you can't get elsewhere.</blockquote> totally agree with that! I have limited edition versions of albums not because they were rare or 'going to be worth something', but purely because you got something a little more for buying the limited version.</blockquote> Yeah, it is fun. However, it shouldn't be a new clothing lines first priority.</blockquote> Totally! I'm happy I've got one of miles to go's shirts, I know there are only 80 of them, but I would have bought it if there were 800 of them! One of favourite limited edition records is this <img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3396/3652317887_e4a0692d12.jpg" /> Thrice - Alchemy Index Vinyl Box set. limited to 2000 worldwide, now that isnt many in terms of an internationally renowned band, but it meant I paid alot to get it because I wanted it. If there had been more of them, I would have expected to pay less. In clothing terms generic rubbish from high street fashion retailers should be cheap, because its rubbish. My miles to go shirt has rites to be expensive because it is a quality piece of artwork, outstandingly well printed and in line with the company ideals. So forget the word limited, lets talk outstanding quality instead. 91601 Post 2009-10-24T01:58:42-04:00 2973951 9930 2009-10-24T01:58:42-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Michael Partridge said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Johnny Cupcakes said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Michael Partridge said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Ameeee said:</cite> I buy Limited Records / CDs when you're getting something extra that you can't get elsewhere.</blockquote> totally agree with that! I have limited edition versions of albums not because they were rare or 'going to be worth something', but purely because you got something a little more for buying the limited version.</blockquote> Yeah, it is fun. However, it shouldn't be a new clothing lines first priority.</blockquote> Totally! I'm happy I've got one of miles to go's shirts, I know there are only 80 of them, but I would have bought it if there were 800 of them! One of favourite limited edition records is this <img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3396/3652317887_e4a0692d12.jpg" /> Thrice - Alchemy Index Vinyl Box set. limited to 2000 worldwide, now that isnt many in terms of an internationally renowned band, but it meant I paid alot to get it because I wanted it. If there had been more of them, I would have expected to pay less. In clothing terms generic rubbish from high street fashion retailers should be cheap, because its rubbish. My miles to go shirt has rites to be expensive because it is a quality piece of artwork, outstandingly well printed and in line with the company ideals. So forget the word limited, lets talk outstanding quality instead.</blockquote> thanks michael. sometimes when people ask about my shirts being $21.99 or so i wonder how much cheaper i could go with a 5 color oversized discharge print done by a high quality artist on american apparel. im glad you dig your shirt so much and appreciate the work put into it. i dont use limited print as a reason to charge $35 or anything. 91601 Post 2009-10-24T02:13:10-04:00 2973981 1271 2009-10-24T02:13:10-04:00 mostly i want to move on with new designs and not get caught up with tons of reprints so i let people know, once its gone, its gone. if im sold out of large, there arent any more, etc. i do still have staples in my line that i do reprint though but i feel like you always have to be moving forward and progressing. 91601 Post 2009-10-24T02:15:28-04:00 2973991 1271 2009-10-24T02:15:28-04:00 Definitely buy into the whole limited thing. I wouldn't buy a shirt that everyone else is wearing, so that's why I shop for t-shirts only at indie clothing brands (but obviously only decent ones). But yeah, limited can be 20 or 1000's, depends who's selling. Also it's good to give "the little guy" a chance (& some much needed money). I think labelling your stuff as "limited" when it's just whack & no-one is buying it is silly. But if you're a global brand like JC & you're making an awesome quality product, with numbered prints, that is definitely a desirable, limited product which can truly be labelled as "limited". If your designs are labelled as limited because they are too crappy to print more than 20, then they aren't limited, cos you would be lucky if you could sell 20. 91601 Post 2009-10-24T02:15:40-04:00 2974001 26051 2009-10-24T02:15:40-04:00 <blockquote><cite>{miles to go} said:</cite> mostly i want to move on with new designs and not get caught up with tons of reprints so i let people know, once its gone, its gone. if im sold out of large, there arent any more, etc. i do still have staples in my line that i do reprint though but i feel like you always have to be moving forward and progressing.</blockquote> Yeah I won't reprint a product too much, mainly because I go off designs really quickly. By the time it comes to reprinting I'm bored of it (which usually happens between 1 week - 1 month). 91601 Post 2009-10-24T02:18:13-04:00 2974011 26051 2009-10-24T02:18:13-04:00 anyway fashion is limited by collections. made by season. after that the price drops. make more than you can sell - you loose make less than you can sell - you loose and I do have a 'limited' piece (actually 2) when fornarina made a special collab. with miss van, and those are sold like crazy since her quote as artist is rising 91601 Post 2009-10-24T03:30:33-04:00 2974311 3912 2009-10-24T03:32:51-04:00 you guys are retarded. be honest. you can buy a shirt at target that they made millions of, and the odds that you will be somewhere that you run into someone wearing the same shirt are way beyond slim to none. the reason you buy limited shit is because, if only for a moment, it makes you feel superior to the next asshole who didn't get the garbage you just bought. 91601 Post 2009-10-24T03:33:04-04:00 2974321 1106 2009-10-24T03:33:04-04:00 Yes. 91601 Post 2009-10-24T03:42:57-04:00 2974341 2330 2009-10-24T03:46:21-04:00 <blockquote><cite>skull with hair said:</cite> you guys are retarded. be honest. you can buy a shirt at target that they made millions of, and the odds that you will be somewhere that you run into someone wearing the same shirt are way beyond slim to none. the reason you buy limited shit is because, if only for a moment, it makes you feel superior to the next asshole who didn't get the garbage you just bought.</blockquote> Exactly 91601 Post 2009-10-24T03:44:46-04:00 2974371 2608 2009-10-24T03:44:46-04:00 <blockquote><cite>skull with hair said:</cite> you guys are retarded. be honest. you can buy a shirt at target that they made millions of, and the odds that you will be somewhere that you run into someone wearing the same shirt are way beyond slim to none. the reason you buy limited shit is because, if only for a moment, it makes you feel superior to the next asshole who didn't get the garbage you just bought.</blockquote> Fact. 91601 Post 2009-10-24T03:46:07-04:00 2974381 3005 2009-10-24T03:46:07-04:00 You can buy a £20 shirt with DC in a one colour print, which everyone has, & lets be honest, is lame, or you can buy something well designed & probably of a higher quality, not EVERYONE has one & cheaper. It's not ALL about limited, I guess my argument is more pro indie labels than pro limited, but indie usually means the shirts will be pretty limited anyway. 91601 Post 2009-10-24T04:05:36-04:00 2974431 26051 2009-10-24T04:05:36-04:00 i think limited edition for the most part is just a marketing ploy without meaning. i occasionally buy limited edition stuff because it looks cool, most recent non t shirt items i could think of were snowboard bindings from a while ago that were pink and had zebra print on the fabric part, and a jacket that had an interesting print. technically, for almost everyone on here, their shirts are limited edition even if not announced because the company cannot afford to make an unlimited amount. and besides, who cares? i get so excited when i see someone wearing a shirt from a company i know. i remember a while back before threadless went from big to HUGE that i spotted someone wearing a threadless tee and i walked over to them and started gushing about how much i love threadless and blah blah blah. im pretty sure i creeped the person out lol. 91601 Post 2009-10-24T04:14:37-04:00 2974461 11896 2009-10-24T04:14:37-04:00 I cant beleive Johnny said that my love for him now burns stronger like 1000 suns (L) 91601 Post 2009-10-24T08:49:13-04:00 2975401 56511 2009-10-24T08:49:13-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Johnny Cupcakes said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>disembodied head said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Jon Kruse said:</cite> Johnny Cupcakes always talks about doing limited edition as a reason for his success. I don't think it's the main reason to his success and you can't just make something limited edition and make it sell. I put no weight in limited edition stuff at all.</blockquote> unfortunately, his fanboy customers seem to put a lot of weight into ltd edition. he's not doing anything groundbreaking either which is what makes it so confusing. a lot of the big name streetwear brands that came before him were doing the same thing.</blockquote> Fanboy customers? My customers are all over the world and of different ages + styles. Fanboy seems a bit off. Easy slapshot-- It's a lot more than just having limited edition t-shirts and sponsoring 'x' amount of bands. Starting an internet t-shirt line may seem easy to you... however-- maintaining + developing an international, successful brand with longevity is a much more difficult yet respectable + rewarding task. I'm not doing anything groundbreaking? In some peoples opinion, maybe. However, I think I'm doing a bit more than your brand and it's non-existing website. To answer this threads topic/question-- it seems as if everyone is under the impression that limited edition will sell. I think most people become blinded by that, and lose site of all other brand aspects. When it comes down to it, success comes from hard work, dedication, motivation, straying away from the norm/rat race.. and maybe some risk taking.</blockquote> BOOM BAKED!™ 91601 Post 2009-10-24T09:42:01-04:00 2975521 1146 2009-10-24T09:42:01-04:00 Well put Mr. Cupcake. 91601 Post 2009-10-24T10:25:04-04:00 2975651 33181 2009-10-24T10:25:04-04:00 For me “limited” is just a fancy word for "I cant afford to make a billion tees" 91601 Post 2009-10-24T11:11:00-04:00 2975971 9590 2009-10-24T11:11:00-04:00 <img src="http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p216/parentbloggers/StrawberryShortcakeHappilyEverAfter.jpg" /> I think fanboy is a good term or as I call them people that actually buy stuff and tell others to do the same. 91601 Post 2009-10-24T11:29:15-04:00 2976121 506 2009-10-24T11:34:09-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Johnny Cupcakes said:</cite> Fanboy customers? My customers are all over the world and of different ages + styles. Fanboy seems a bit off. Easy slapshot-- It's a lot more than just having limited edition t-shirts and sponsoring 'x' amount of bands. Starting an internet t-shirt line may seem easy to you... however-- maintaining + developing an international, successful brand with longevity is a much more difficult yet respectable + rewarding task. I'm not doing anything groundbreaking? In some peoples opinion, maybe. However, I think I'm doing a bit more than your brand and it's non-existing website. To answer this threads topic/question-- it seems as if everyone is under the impression that limited edition will sell. I think most people become blinded by that, and lose site of all other brand aspects. When it comes down to it, success comes from hard work, dedication, motivation, straying away from the norm/rat race.. and maybe some risk taking.</blockquote> I never said starting a brand or maintaining it would be easy (as your kneejerk reaction to my non-existent brand suggests), I simply don't see how your business model is really any different from the likes of Bape, Supreme, Gimme 5 or any of the other streetwear brands that were doing the same thing 9 yrs ago. 91601 Post 2009-10-24T11:34:17-04:00 2976131 12224 2009-10-24T11:34:17-04:00 It is easy, buy designs or make them, print them and sell them. That's not the same as "Building a brand" I think I am starting to get it, its the art of hype, making people go bananas for shit they would otherwise not give a rats ass about. Well played Mr. Cupcakes. 91601 Post 2009-10-24T11:37:19-04:00 2976141 506 2009-10-24T11:37:19-04:00 it works great for places like tee furry, because they don't even have to buy their designs or worry about overstock, they just need to need to promote, print, and offer a cut of that days sales then move on to the next artist 91601 Post 2009-10-24T12:11:20-04:00 2976371 4435 2009-10-24T12:11:20-04:00 The tees in my shop are limited, I never reprint the design on the same colour, once there gone they are gone. I only reprinted once and I wont do it again. 91601 Post 2009-10-24T12:19:16-04:00 2976491 2991 2009-10-24T12:19:16-04:00 The once they are gone thing doesn't make sense to me unless you are trying to make them rare on purpose. Why kill a design that is already bought and payed for? 91601 Post 2009-10-24T12:34:38-04:00 2976631 506 2009-10-24T12:34:38-04:00 no1 really cares if a new brand has limited people only cares if a well respected brand has limited like nike,jordan, supreme and johnny cupcakes. it always feel good having something not to many people have and or having something not to many people would ever get. in a way it puts you in certain club lol. it puts you in the “hey where did you get that” “i would tell you but its limited and its most likely sold out and will never be recreated” club. 91601 Post 2009-10-24T12:46:54-04:00 2976751 9184 2009-10-24T12:46:54-04:00 I think limited edition can still mean something if done properly. However, I believe it's main value comes from established companies that have built up equity in their brands and have a dedicated fanbase. A start up shirt company has a much larger hurdle to overcome when selling "limited edition" tees because they have no credibility or history. In that sense, start-up shirt companies have to focus on building their business first. Too many people think they can just hire some cool designer, print some shirts, sell them, quit their day jobs and that's that. But after two days with one t-shirt for sale the same people start whining about not selling anything. Guess what? It takes time - and lots of it - to build your brand. And no award-winning design is going to help you cut in line to the top. Look at Johnny Cupcakes...I love his stuff, but it's not "ground breaking design". But that's not really the point. His logo and brand STAND FOR SOMETHING. That's why people buy from him again and again and again. But it didn't start out that way, He didn't put a cupcake and crossbones logo on a shirt and instantly become a multi-million dollar company. What you forget is that there are years of growth between the first shirt and where he is now. All that behind the scenes work day in and day out. You cannot skip that to become successful. That is why 80% of new businesses fail. Find out WHAT YOU ARE ABOUT. Find LIKE MINDED PEOPLE. Make PRODUCTS THAT FIT THAT DESCRIPTION. Then win customers over with tremendous value and service, and give them products they want. Keep that up for a few years as your customer base and email list grow. Then - and only then - will you be able to pull out the stops and do some limited editions. But again, it comes back to VALUE. Don't just jack up the price to make more money. Jam-pack that with true value that is priceless and they will pay any price. 91601 Post 2009-10-24T13:30:08-04:00 2977211 1826 2009-10-24T13:30:08-04:00 <blockquote><cite>disembodied head said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Johnny Cupcakes said:</cite> Fanboy customers? My customers are all over the world and of different ages + styles. Fanboy seems a bit off. Easy slapshot-- It's a lot more than just having limited edition t-shirts and sponsoring 'x' amount of bands. Starting an internet t-shirt line may seem easy to you... however-- maintaining + developing an international, successful brand with longevity is a much more difficult yet respectable + rewarding task. I'm not doing anything groundbreaking? In some peoples opinion, maybe. However, I think I'm doing a bit more than your brand and it's non-existing website. To answer this threads topic/question-- it seems as if everyone is under the impression that limited edition will sell. I think most people become blinded by that, and lose site of all other brand aspects. When it comes down to it, success comes from hard work, dedication, motivation, straying away from the norm/rat race.. and maybe some risk taking.</blockquote> I never said starting a brand or maintaining it would be easy (as your kneejerk reaction to my non-existent brand suggests), I simply don't see how your business model is really any different from the likes of Bape, Supreme, Gimme 5 or any of the other streetwear brands that were doing the same thing 9 yrs ago.</blockquote> I'm not 100% sure of what those companies were doing 9 years ago, but did they have fans camp out on the streets for a week to be a part of and own something "limited"? Aside from the "limited" aspect, I think Johnny is doing a lot more things than those companies did back them. Travel the world to lecture at everything from high schools to top ranked universities. Camp out with his customers, play games, bring them drinks and snacks. Throw meet-up's allover the country and even overseas for those customers who aren't lucky enough to live near Boston, Hull or LA. Not to mention spending who knows how much money making his stores look like bakeries so it is more of an experience than a normal shop. I think Johnny is pushing the envelope a little bit more than those companies ever did. I could be wrong in saying that, but the customer interaction Johnny creates makes the customers feel a little more welcomed than just stepping into a ordinary store or pulling up a website. 91601 Post 2009-10-24T13:42:00-04:00 2977341 9268 2009-10-24T13:46:22-04:00 <blockquote><cite>RyanPimental. said:</cite> I'm not 100% sure of what those companies were doing 9 years ago, but did they have fans camp out on the streets for a week to be a part of and own something "limited"? </blockquote> yes, Bathing Ape was doing this in Japan in '99-00. I don't know about fans camping out for a week but they did line up. 91601 Post 2009-10-24T13:50:43-04:00 2977431 12224 2009-10-24T13:50:43-04:00 <blockquote><cite>RyanPimental. said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>disembodied head said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Johnny Cupcakes said:</cite> Fanboy customers? My customers are all over the world and of different ages + styles. Fanboy seems a bit off. Easy slapshot-- It's a lot more than just having limited edition t-shirts and sponsoring 'x' amount of bands. Starting an internet t-shirt line may seem easy to you... however-- maintaining + developing an international, successful brand with longevity is a much more difficult yet respectable + rewarding task. I'm not doing anything groundbreaking? In some peoples opinion, maybe. However, I think I'm doing a bit more than your brand and it's non-existing website. To answer this threads topic/question-- it seems as if everyone is under the impression that limited edition will sell. I think most people become blinded by that, and lose site of all other brand aspects. When it comes down to it, success comes from hard work, dedication, motivation, straying away from the norm/rat race.. and maybe some risk taking.</blockquote> I never said starting a brand or maintaining it would be easy (as your kneejerk reaction to my non-existent brand suggests), I simply don't see how your business model is really any different from the likes of Bape, Supreme, Gimme 5 or any of the other streetwear brands that were doing the same thing 9 yrs ago.</blockquote> I'm not 100% sure of what those companies were doing 9 years ago, but did they have fans camp out on the streets for a week to be a part of and own something "limited"? Aside from the "limited" aspect, I think Johnny is doing a lot more things than those companies did back them. Travel the world to lecture at everything from high schools to top ranked universities. Camp out with his customers, play games, bring them drinks and snacks. Throw meet-up's allover the country and even overseas for those customers who aren't lucky enough to live near Boston, Hull or LA. Not to mention spending who knows how much money making his stores look like bakeries so it is more of an experience than a normal shop. I think Johnny is pushing the envelope a little bit more than those companies ever did. I could be wrong in saying that, but the customer interaction Johnny creates makes the customers feel a little more welcomed than just stepping into a ordinary store or pulling up a website.</blockquote> Yeah, I'm not a fan of the JC stuff at all. That said, their branding is outstanding. 91601 Post 2009-10-24T15:56:15-04:00 2978641 1661 2009-10-24T15:56:15-04:00 <blockquote><cite>RyanPimental. said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>disembodied head said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Johnny Cupcakes said:</cite> Fanboy customers? My customers are all over the world and of different ages + styles. Fanboy seems a bit off. Easy slapshot-- It's a lot more than just having limited edition t-shirts and sponsoring 'x' amount of bands. Starting an internet t-shirt line may seem easy to you... however-- maintaining + developing an international, successful brand with longevity is a much more difficult yet respectable + rewarding task. I'm not doing anything groundbreaking? In some peoples opinion, maybe. However, I think I'm doing a bit more than your brand and it's non-existing website. To answer this threads topic/question-- it seems as if everyone is under the impression that limited edition will sell. I think most people become blinded by that, and lose site of all other brand aspects. When it comes down to it, success comes from hard work, dedication, motivation, straying away from the norm/rat race.. and maybe some risk taking.</blockquote> I never said starting a brand or maintaining it would be easy (as your kneejerk reaction to my non-existent brand suggests), I simply don't see how your business model is really any different from the likes of Bape, Supreme, Gimme 5 or any of the other streetwear brands that were doing the same thing 9 yrs ago.</blockquote> I'm not 100% sure of what those companies were doing 9 years ago, but did they have fans camp out on the streets for a week to be a part of and own something "limited"? Aside from the "limited" aspect, I think Johnny is doing a lot more things than those companies did back them. Travel the world to lecture at everything from high schools to top ranked universities. Camp out with his customers, play games, bring them drinks and snacks. Throw meet-up's allover the country and even overseas for those customers who aren't lucky enough to live near Boston, Hull or LA. Not to mention spending who knows how much money making his stores look like bakeries so it is more of an experience than a normal shop. I think Johnny is pushing the envelope a little bit more than those companies ever did. I could be wrong in saying that, but the customer interaction Johnny creates makes the customers feel a little more welcomed than just stepping into a ordinary store or pulling up a website.</blockquote> Well said Ryan. disembodied head - you honestly can't see why my business model is different from Bape, Supreme, etc. or any other streetwear brands that were around 9 years ago? -Well, first of all (as much as I enjoy them) those brands sell their clothes to other shops, which in my opinion tarnishes their brand(s) in the long run. -They are coined as 'street wear' which for the most part gives them only a certain type of person who purchases their products. Some street wear people may wear my brands t-shirts, however, Johnny Cupcakes i not a street wear brand nor limited to selling only to street wear people or any certain type of person for that matter. -I don't think the owners of the brands hang out, play games, have movie nights, and laugh/build memories with their customers around the world (as Ryan stated). Oh yeah, and treat them to dinner. ------------- I can honestly say that there aren't any clothing lines or companies for that matter, who makes their customers that high up on their priority list(s). Which is totally fine. My way is NOT the right way, it's just what has worked for me and it's my passion. There you have it disembodied head. I value your negative opinion so much that I sat own on this lovely Saturday and gave you a cute little list for you to put in your satchel. Everyone should carve their own niche and do something that sets them apart. Not naming names, but I've seen similar brand(s) on here who haven't really done that. I've also seen some bands on here who have done that very well. 91601 Post 2009-10-24T16:12:54-04:00 2978891 4903 2009-10-24T16:13:43-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Johnny Cupcakes said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>RyanPimental. said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>disembodied head said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Johnny Cupcakes said:</cite> Fanboy customers? My customers are all over the world and of different ages + styles. Fanboy seems a bit off. Easy slapshot-- It's a lot more than just having limited edition t-shirts and sponsoring 'x' amount of bands. Starting an internet t-shirt line may seem easy to you... however-- maintaining + developing an international, successful brand with longevity is a much more difficult yet respectable + rewarding task. I'm not doing anything groundbreaking? In some peoples opinion, maybe. However, I think I'm doing a bit more than your brand and it's non-existing website. To answer this threads topic/question-- it seems as if everyone is under the impression that limited edition will sell. I think most people become blinded by that, and lose site of all other brand aspects. When it comes down to it, success comes from hard work, dedication, motivation, straying away from the norm/rat race.. and maybe some risk taking.</blockquote> I never said starting a brand or maintaining it would be easy (as your kneejerk reaction to my non-existent brand suggests), I simply don't see how your business model is really any different from the likes of Bape, Supreme, Gimme 5 or any of the other streetwear brands that were doing the same thing 9 yrs ago.</blockquote> I'm not 100% sure of what those companies were doing 9 years ago, but did they have fans camp out on the streets for a week to be a part of and own something "limited"? Aside from the "limited" aspect, I think Johnny is doing a lot more things than those companies did back them. Travel the world to lecture at everything from high schools to top ranked universities. Camp out with his customers, play games, bring them drinks and snacks. Throw meet-up's allover the country and even overseas for those customers who aren't lucky enough to live near Boston, Hull or LA. Not to mention spending who knows how much money making his stores look like bakeries so it is more of an experience than a normal shop. I think Johnny is pushing the envelope a little bit more than those companies ever did. I could be wrong in saying that, but the customer interaction Johnny creates makes the customers feel a little more welcomed than just stepping into a ordinary store or pulling up a website.</blockquote> Well said Ryan. disembodied head - you honestly can't see why my business model is different from Bape, Supreme, etc. or any other streetwear brands that were around 9 years ago? -Well, first of all (as much as I enjoy them) those brands sell their clothes to other shops, which in my opinion tarnishes their brand(s) in the long run. -They are coined as 'street wear' which for the most part gives them only a certain type of person who purchases their products. Some street wear people may wear my brands t-shirts, however, Johnny Cupcakes i not a street wear brand nor limited to selling only to street wear people or any certain type of person for that matter. -I don't think the owners of the brands hang out, play games, have movie nights, and laugh/build memories with their customers around the world (as Ryan stated). Oh yeah, and treat them to dinner. ------------- I can honestly say that there aren't any clothing lines or companies for that matter, who makes their customers that high up on their priority list(s). Which is totally fine. My way is NOT the right way, it's just what has worked for me and it's my passion. There you have it disembodied head. I value your negative opinion so much that I sat own on this lovely Saturday and gave you a cute little list for you to put in your satchel. Everyone should carve their own niche and do something that sets them apart. Not naming names, but I've seen similar brand(s) on here who haven't really done that. I've also seen some bands on here who have done that very well.</blockquote> now there is a man who doesn't need to defend his work, standing up for it. bravo sir! 91601 Post 2009-10-24T22:03:01-04:00 2981721 9930 2009-10-24T22:03:01-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Johnny Cupcakes said:</cite> I value your negative opinion so much that I sat own on this lovely Saturday and gave you a cute little list for you to put in your <b>satchel.</b> </blockquote> Amazing. Haha. 91601 Post 2009-10-24T22:16:29-04:00 2981801 9268 2009-10-24T22:16:29-04:00 Sorry to hop onto the bandwagon: <b>Johnny Cupcakes said: Fanboy customers? My customers are all over the world and of different ages + styles. Fanboy seems a bit off.</b> Nintendo has "fanboys". Their "fanboys" are all over the world, different ages, and take on different styles. Don't get caught up on terminology. <b>Easy slapshot-- It's a lot more than just having limited edition t-shirts and sponsoring 'x' amount of bands. Starting an internet t-shirt line may seem easy to you... however-- maintaining + developing an international, successful brand with longevity is a much more difficult yet respectable + rewarding task. </b> Well said. <b>I'm not doing anything groundbreaking? In some peoples opinion, maybe. However, I think I'm doing a bit more than your brand and it's non-existing website.</b> I'm sorry but I don't believe that bashing a guy who is down talking your company on an online forum is a very professional way to handle opposition. You can't win everyone over. You can disagree but no need to go on the offense. <b>To answer this threads topic/question-- it seems as if everyone is under the impression that limited edition will sell. I think most people become blinded by that, and lose site of all other brand aspects. When it comes down to it, success comes from hard work, dedication, motivation, straying away from the norm/rat race.. and maybe some risk taking.</b> <b>disembodied head - you honestly can’t see why my business model is different from Bape, Supreme, etc. or any other streetwear brands that were around 9 years ago?</b> <b>-Well, first of all (as much as I enjoy them) those brands sell their clothes to other shops, which in my opinion tarnishes their brand(s) in the long run.</b> Key line: "in my opinion". <b>-They are coined as 'street wear' which for the most part gives them only a certain type of person who purchases their products. Some street wear people may wear my brands t-shirts, however, Johnny Cupcakes i not a street wear brand nor limited to selling only to street wear people or any certain type of person for that matter.</b> That was their company's desire for the brand. <b>-I don’t think the owners of the brands hang out, play games, have movie nights, and laugh/build memories with their customers around the world (as Ryan stated). Oh yeah, and treat them to dinner.</b> Very true, but they also designed there brand in a different way. They didn't plan on running their business in that format. It doesn't mean they aren't successful it just means they have different goals and ideals in mind. The main problem I have is how you yourself are displaying your brand by your actions. Yes you do a lot of cool things JC but I don't think this gives you the right to act like king of the indie clothing industry. I don't see skaw (of Threadless) getting into internet forum fights when someone says they don't like Threadless' "kiddy" tees. I don't believe this shows how you care for customers/potential customers or how it gives off a professional air about Johnny Cupcakes. *yes I know I'm not a professional or anything, I'm just stating what I'm observing. I respect what you've done with your brand, JC, and in no way think you don't deserve what you've accomplished. 91601 Post 2009-10-25T01:52:10-04:00 2982811 7574 2009-10-25T01:55:33-04:00 I was just sticking up for myself after it appeared I was being e-bashed by disembodied head. My brand is my passion and life. While it may appear unprofessional to you that I stuck up for myself in general (or the way that I did)-- you might act different if the position were switched + you were in my shoes. Whoa whoa-- I'm certainly NOT the king of the indie clothing industry. I stated in this thread that 'my way is NOT the right way', and 'in my opinion'. I merely hopped on to defend myself. In my opinion I do believe I'm doing a pretty damn good job at orchestrating my brand and keeping it very homegrown + personal with my customers. He really wanted to know what makes my brand successful + different from other street wear brands. I never said my brand was better, I just honestly broke it down for him why it is different and how it is successful. If it does seem like I'm acting unprofessional, I apologize. I know the professional way would have been to let it slide/ignore it. I'm just excited and very proud at what I've done for the past 8-9 years. When someone bashes that, I'm very much so entitled to defend myself. Sure, I didn't have to say something about dude-guy not having a website. I guess at the moment I thought it was the right thing to say. I busted my ass taking risks for the past 8-9 years with my brand. If someone (who doesn't even have a website up) has the audacity to act like wiener online, I'm going to hop on and break it down for him. While I may not be an active user-- I'm on emptees to give advice and receive it. I try my best to stay out of the bickering, but I was feeling a little saucy tonight <3 Sorry disembodied head if I acted a bit out of line. And sorry if I rubbed you the wrong way SoldierOfGondor, as you seem the most offended-- seeing how you had the time to neat-fully lay out our argument/discussion. My intent was to honestly answer his curious questions all while throwing a called-for right e-hook to his internet jaw. 91601 Post 2009-10-25T03:51:32-04:00 2983461 4903 2009-10-25T03:57:55-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Johnny Cupcakes said:</cite> I was just sticking up for myself after it appeared I was being e-bashed by disembodied head. My brand is my passion and life. While it may appear unprofessional to you that I stuck up for myself in general (or the way that I did)-- you might act different if the position were switched + you were in my shoes. Whoa whoa-- I'm certainly NOT the king of the indie clothing industry. I stated in this thread that 'my way is NOT the right way', and 'in my opinion'. I merely hopped on to defend myself. In my opinion I do believe I'm doing a pretty damn good job at orchestrating my brand and keeping it very homegrown + personal with my customers. He really wanted to know what makes my brand successful + different from other street wear brands. I never said my brand was better, I just broke it down for him why it is different and successful. If it does seem like I'm acting unprofessional, I apologize. I know the professional way would have been to let it slide/ignore it. I'm just excited and very proud at what I've done for the past 8-9 years. When someone bashes that, I'm very much so entitled to defend myself. Sure, I didn't have to say something about dude-guy not having a website. I guess at the moment I thought it was the right thing to say. I busted my ass taking risks for the past 8-9 years with my brand. If someone (who doesn't even have a website up) has the audacity to act like wiener online, I'm going to hop on and break it down for him. While I may not be an active user-- I'm on emptees to give advice and receive it. I try my best to stay out of the bickering, but I was feeling a little saucy tonight <3</blockquote> you sir are a stand up act 91601 Post 2009-10-25T03:55:54-04:00 2983481 3021 2009-10-25T03:55:54-04:00 Sorry disembodied head if I acted a bit out of line. And sorry if I rubbed you the wrong way SoldierOfGondor, as you seem the most offended-- seeing how you had the time to neat-fully lay out our argument/discussion. My intent was to honestly answer his curious questions all while throwing a called-for right e-hook to his internet jaw. 91601 Post 2009-10-25T04:00:22-04:00 2983501 4903 2009-10-25T04:00:22-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Johnny Cupcakes said:</cite> I was just sticking up for myself after it appeared I was being e-bashed by disembodied head. My brand is my passion and life. While it may appear unprofessional to you that I stuck up for myself in general (or the way that I did)-- you might act different if the position were switched + you were in my shoes. Whoa whoa-- I'm certainly NOT the king of the indie clothing industry. I stated in this thread that 'my way is NOT the right way', and 'in my opinion'. I merely hopped on to defend myself. In my opinion I do believe I'm doing a pretty damn good job at orchestrating my brand and keeping it very homegrown + personal with my customers. He really wanted to know what makes my brand successful + different from other street wear brands. I never said my brand was better, I just broke it down for him why it is different and successful. If it does seem like I'm acting unprofessional, I apologize. I know the professional way would have been to let it slide/ignore it. I'm just excited and very proud at what I've done for the past 8-9 years. When someone bashes that, I'm very much so entitled to defend myself. Sure, I didn't have to say something about dude-guy not having a website. I guess at the moment I thought it was the right thing to say. I busted my ass taking risks for the past 8-9 years with my brand. If someone (who doesn't even have a website up) has the audacity to act like wiener online, I'm going to hop on and break it down for him. While I may not be an active user-- I'm on emptees to give advice and receive it. I try my best to stay out of the bickering, but I was feeling a little saucy tonight <3</blockquote> I agree I can understand how after awhile of people bashing you like that, you would wanna defend your brand; (which is kinda like your child almost). P.S. Loved the Sacramento speech, I am yet to find any other clothing brand owner that spends so much of their personal time teaching others about the business. 4 hrs. of information it was hard to take it all in haha. 91601 Post 2009-10-25T04:10:12-04:00 2983521 7411 2009-10-25T04:10:12-04:00 <blockquote><cite>electricthreads said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Johnny Cupcakes said:</cite> I was just sticking up for myself after it appeared I was being e-bashed by disembodied head. My brand is my passion and life. While it may appear unprofessional to you that I stuck up for myself in general (or the way that I did)-- you might act different if the position were switched + you were in my shoes. Whoa whoa-- I'm certainly NOT the king of the indie clothing industry. I stated in this thread that 'my way is NOT the right way', and 'in my opinion'. I merely hopped on to defend myself. In my opinion I do believe I'm doing a pretty damn good job at orchestrating my brand and keeping it very homegrown + personal with my customers. He really wanted to know what makes my brand successful + different from other street wear brands. I never said my brand was better, I just broke it down for him why it is different and successful. If it does seem like I'm acting unprofessional, I apologize. I know the professional way would have been to let it slide/ignore it. I'm just excited and very proud at what I've done for the past 8-9 years. When someone bashes that, I'm very much so entitled to defend myself. Sure, I didn't have to say something about dude-guy not having a website. I guess at the moment I thought it was the right thing to say. I busted my ass taking risks for the past 8-9 years with my brand. If someone (who doesn't even have a website up) has the audacity to act like wiener online, I'm going to hop on and break it down for him. While I may not be an active user-- I'm on emptees to give advice and receive it. I try my best to stay out of the bickering, but I was feeling a little saucy tonight <3</blockquote> I agree I can understand how after awhile of people bashing you like that, you would wanna defend your brand; (which is kinda like your child almost). P.S. Loved the Sacramento speech, I am yet to find any other clothing brand owner that spends so much of their personal time teaching others about the business. 4 hrs. of information it was hard to take it all in haha.</blockquote> Thanks man! I stuck around after for what had seemed infinite Q + A, and then talking to each individual personally. It was probably a total of 7 hours of my time (with the lecture). I actually missed my flight twice the next morning-- but it was well worth it to have shared every bit of knowledge, experience, and advice with a lecture hall full of hundreds of eager hard-working students, artists, and entrepreneurs. I wish I had some sort of mentor when I had first started. It probably would of saved me a ton of stress, and from making a heaps of mistakes. 91601 Post 2009-10-25T04:15:40-04:00 2983541 4903 2009-10-25T04:17:12-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Johnny Cupcakes said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>electricthreads said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Johnny Cupcakes said:</cite> I was just sticking up for myself after it appeared I was being e-bashed by disembodied head. My brand is my passion and life. While it may appear unprofessional to you that I stuck up for myself in general (or the way that I did)-- you might act different if the position were switched + you were in my shoes. Whoa whoa-- I'm certainly NOT the king of the indie clothing industry. I stated in this thread that 'my way is NOT the right way', and 'in my opinion'. I merely hopped on to defend myself. In my opinion I do believe I'm doing a pretty damn good job at orchestrating my brand and keeping it very homegrown + personal with my customers. He really wanted to know what makes my brand successful + different from other street wear brands. I never said my brand was better, I just broke it down for him why it is different and successful. If it does seem like I'm acting unprofessional, I apologize. I know the professional way would have been to let it slide/ignore it. I'm just excited and very proud at what I've done for the past 8-9 years. When someone bashes that, I'm very much so entitled to defend myself. Sure, I didn't have to say something about dude-guy not having a website. I guess at the moment I thought it was the right thing to say. I busted my ass taking risks for the past 8-9 years with my brand. If someone (who doesn't even have a website up) has the audacity to act like wiener online, I'm going to hop on and break it down for him. While I may not be an active user-- I'm on emptees to give advice and receive it. I try my best to stay out of the bickering, but I was feeling a little saucy tonight <3</blockquote> I agree I can understand how after awhile of people bashing you like that, you would wanna defend your brand; (which is kinda like your child almost). P.S. Loved the Sacramento speech, I am yet to find any other clothing brand owner that spends so much of their personal time teaching others about the business. 4 hrs. of information it was hard to take it all in haha.</blockquote> Thanks man! I stuck around after for what had seemed infinite Q + A, and then talking to each individual personally. It was probably a total of 7 hours of my time (with the lecture). I actually missed my flight twice the next morning-- but it was well worth it to have shared every bit of knowledge, experience, and advice with a lecture hall full of hundreds of eager hard-working students, artists, and entrepreneurs.</blockquote> Wow no way! Yea I would of stayed longer but my gf was getting kinda sleepy and we had like a 2hr drive back to san jose haha(we got back around 2am :P). But yea I can tell how excited you get about it it's insane you go on forever. I always hope to build a brand like that, it must be sweet teaching hundreds of people. 91601 Post 2009-10-25T04:21:21-04:00 2983571 7411 2009-10-25T04:21:21-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Johnny Cupcakes said:</cite> Sorry disembodied head if I acted a bit out of line. And sorry if I rubbed you the wrong way SoldierOfGondor, as you seem the most offended-- seeing how you had the time to neat-fully lay out our argument/discussion. My intent was to honestly answer his curious questions all while throwing a called-for right e-hook to his internet jaw.</blockquote> no need to apologize. you've every right to defend yourself and your brand but at the end of the day you're the one with the successful clothing company. my intent wasn't to come off as a hater or to bait you into a senseless forum spat either. I was merely expressing an opinion, which in hindsight could've been more tactful. I do recognize your accomplishments and for that I applaude you. 91601 Post 2009-10-25T11:10:26-04:00 2984951 12224 2009-10-25T11:10:26-04:00 Just skip the lame intro but, I found this interesting, the idea of anchors. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sarpElssigA Contextual Pricing Strategy When customers buy, they judge in terms of relative advantages, not in absolutes. For example, a customer considering a purchase with you does not look at your product and its price tag, and then vote yes or no. Decoy Pricing Strategy Decoy pricing: Offering a slightly less desirable version of the product you really want customers to purchase. Anchor Pricing Strategy Anchor pricing: when we encounter a new product (and new business) we accept the first price that comes before our eyes and from then on that price becomes the anchor for what we are willing to pay for that product. You can read the full article <a href="http://www.themarketingspotblog.com/2009/08/business-pricing-strategies-that-get.html?showComment=1251813562781#c5190226256065413827">here</a>. So now what everyone knows that we are going to stop buying things correct? I fall for this everyday, but I can't seem to wrap my head around how to get sales out of it. Maybe those that get sales could give some feedback, or find this useful maybe. Have you ever had a flop? by you I mean anyone with an shop online or otherwise. What makes people leave a website, or a store? They know it's a store to start with, so their ought to be things to buy inside it. What makes them go from I am going to buy something to fuck this place. P.S. I should point out I have a long history of disappointment in regards to Art and money, even when I was trying to get sales in galleries with one of a kind originals, I am starting to think that I am jinxed in some way. What is more limited then 1? 91601 Post 2009-10-25T12:05:04-04:00 2985331 506 2009-10-25T12:07:40-04:00 <blockquote><cite>quakerninja said:</cite> What makes people leave a website, or a store? They know it's a store to start with, so their ought to be things to buy inside it. What makes them go from I am going to buy something to fuck this place.</blockquote> Good question, I would like to know some peoples opinions on this. I have quite a high "bounce rate" on my site, which is pretty annoying. 91601 Post 2009-10-25T12:25:37-04:00 2985431 26051 2009-10-25T12:25:37-04:00 <blockquote><cite>quakerninja said:</cite> What makes people leave a website, or a store? They know it's a store to start with, so their ought to be things to buy inside it. What makes them go from I am going to buy something to fuck this place.</blockquote> from personal habits, you want to see whats new because you like what the store sells but you dont have money to purchase anything or its not amazing enough to warrant you purchasing it. or a really difficult to navigate site or a buggy one. or shady. 91601 Post 2009-10-26T03:29:41-04:00 2993691 11896 2009-10-26T03:29:51-04:00 <blockquote><cite>asher2789 said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>quakerninja said:</cite> What makes people leave a website, or a store? They know it's a store to start with, so their ought to be things to buy inside it. What makes them go from I am going to buy something to fuck this place.</blockquote> from personal habits, you want to see whats new because you like what the store sells but you dont have money to purchase anything or its not amazing enough to warrant you purchasing it. or a really difficult to navigate site or a buggy one. or shady.</blockquote> yea, i agree with this. and bear in mind, a lot of stores are just stores. they don't have websites built on that contain look books or anything that will show what their line consists of so the only way to see what they have is to lurk on the store site and then leave if nothing takes your fancy. 91601 Post 2009-10-26T06:30:13-04:00 2994761 64781 2009-10-26T06:30:13-04:00 <blockquote><cite>disembodied head said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Johnny Cupcakes said:</cite> Sorry disembodied head if I acted a bit out of line. And sorry if I rubbed you the wrong way SoldierOfGondor, as you seem the most offended-- seeing how you had the time to neat-fully lay out our argument/discussion. My intent was to honestly answer his curious questions all while throwing a called-for right e-hook to his internet jaw.</blockquote> no need to apologize. you've every right to defend yourself and your brand but at the end of the day you're the one with the successful clothing company. my intent wasn't to come off as a hater or to bait you into a senseless forum spat either. I was merely expressing an opinion, which in hindsight could've been more tactful. I do recognize your accomplishments and for that I applaude you.</blockquote> Yea, don't get me wrong I think your accomplishments are awesome and your product rocks, I was just slightly bothered. Pardon my unwanted, unnecessary opinion. And you are quite right about the "in your shoes" comment. 91601 Post 2009-10-26T07:41:01-04:00 2995201 7574 2009-10-26T07:41:01-04:00 <blockquote><cite>atomicchild said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Johnny Cupcakes said:</cite> I was just sticking up for myself after it appeared I was being e-bashed by disembodied head. My brand is my passion and life. While it may appear unprofessional to you that I stuck up for myself in general (or the way that I did)-- you might act different if the position were switched + you were in my shoes. Whoa whoa-- I'm certainly NOT the king of the indie clothing industry. I stated in this thread that 'my way is NOT the right way', and 'in my opinion'. I merely hopped on to defend myself. In my opinion I do believe I'm doing a pretty damn good job at orchestrating my brand and keeping it very homegrown + personal with my customers. He really wanted to know what makes my brand successful + different from other street wear brands. I never said my brand was better, I just broke it down for him why it is different and successful. If it does seem like I'm acting unprofessional, I apologize. I know the professional way would have been to let it slide/ignore it. I'm just excited and very proud at what I've done for the past 8-9 years. When someone bashes that, I'm very much so entitled to defend myself. Sure, I didn't have to say something about dude-guy not having a website. I guess at the moment I thought it was the right thing to say. I busted my ass taking risks for the past 8-9 years with my brand. If someone (who doesn't even have a website up) has the audacity to act like wiener online, I'm going to hop on and break it down for him. While I may not be an active user-- I'm on emptees to give advice and receive it. I try my best to stay out of the bickering, but I was feeling a little saucy tonight <3</blockquote> you sir are a stand up act</blockquote> agreed. you didn't do anything wrong here 91601 Post 2009-10-26T09:36:37-04:00 2995751 4933 2009-10-26T09:36:37-04:00 In marketing and branding everything boils down to fulfilling a NEED. In cases like limited edition tee shirts, some customers have a NEED for them, others don't. You figure out your bran'ds positioning and then look at the target market and see what will work best...and pick one or the other (niche or mass markets). Plain and simple. You can target both (like some brands will have 1 or 2 limited edited shirts) but for the most part a lot of people will buy limited edition just because nobody else has it Case in point- some guy I knew from HS had a JC tee on said he didn't even know who JC was but he saw people waiting in line for a release and felt like he wanted to get in on the action. 91601 Post 2009-10-26T12:36:16-04:00 2997171 9002 2009-10-26T12:36:16-04:00