New line out! let me know what you all think?

http://www.aboveapparel.com

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1. 

   Callum_Green said about 1 month ago

   Sweet, how much would shipping to UK be? so i need to know how much to save. haha

2. 

   Jon Kruse said about 1 month ago

   You have some cool shirts. Your websites background and navigation typography needs some work.

3. 

   Above said about 1 month ago

   I still need to add a international shipping option.
   I would say add 5 dollars to the current price + shipping.
   Check back tomorrow and I’ll have it up for you.

4. 

   Above said about 1 month ago

   Ya I am still working on mastering the whole site haha

5. 

   awakendesigncompany said about 1 month ago

   i really like the stomach ache tee! and the UFO tee is sick as well!!!

6. 

   LitoQ said about 1 month ago

   site design by heythequickness? ha I kid

   nice tees tho dude

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   Frontside. said about 1 month ago

   Looks awesome! Really into the logo tee.

8. 

   Danimal! said about 1 month ago

   that splash page is really annoying, and doesn’t have anything to do with your website.

9. 

   MadeByMAS said about 1 month ago

   Looks good man, hope everything works out for you!

10. 

    danny organs said about 1 month ago

    the ufo shirt is fucking solid.

11. 

    i came from nothing said about 1 month ago

    ahhhh splash page

    sweet tees

12. 

    dobi said about 1 month ago

    isn’t the splash page the 90's nostalgia version of the electric zombie page?

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    FRENDEN said about 1 month ago

    Splash + loud music = closed browser tab. I wanted to look at your designs but both are big pet peeves.

14. 

    playboy4ll23 said about 1 month ago

    that damn music kills me...please take it off

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    discordantart said about 1 month ago

    Jon Kruse said: You have some cool shirts. Your websites background and navigation typography needs some work.

    the ufo tee rules along with the others, but website is pretty clunky in how it’s laid out

16. 

    tybomb said about 1 month ago

    the octopus Tee is very similar to Enclothe’s Cthulu shirt.

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    godmachine said about 1 month ago

    dobi said: isn’t the splash page the 90's nostalgia version of the electric zombie page?

    you should check out electric suicide (one of the first apparently- dont quote me bro) or vision street wear or countless others..

    FRENDEN said: Splash + loud music = closed browser tab. I wanted to look at your designs but both are big pet peeves.

    we are getting old hahaha.

    Needs tweaking here and there mate- but all in all you seem tyo be on the right track to what you want.

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    andrE w. said about 1 month ago

    FRENDEN said: Splash + loud music = closed browser tab. I wanted to look at your designs but both are big pet peeves.

    i dont like flash at all, and i wont listen to your music, sorry, im listening to billy joel 'say goodbye to hollywood' and you ruined alittle bit of that song.

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    Johnny D said about 1 month ago

    id say for one, make the music a playable option, so it doesnt just start... but this isnt about your site its about your tees... id probs buy the octopus one if i had cash to spend.

    didnt you have problems with the designs printed though?

20. 

    kyleisez said about 1 month ago

    i honestly dislike the UFO tee... I hate the outline around teh whole thing, it looks like someone did a crap DTG job

21. 

    heavyprints said about 1 month ago

    Does look like someone choked the crap out of the underbase.

22. 

    Above said about 1 month ago

    Yeah to comment on what johnnyd kyleEz and heavy prints. If you didn’t see my post I made a few days ago about how upset I was with the prints well that was one of the issues. The ufo didn’t have the haze or white background behind it when I sent them the file I know they made a white base to reveal the little details of the galazy etcc in the background. I can’t do much about it since obviously they are already printed but I still think the overal shirt came out pretty nice and it is till cool to look at.

    Also just to add I see lots of people comment on my site layout. Tell me what you think of the tees but also mention what you think I should fix on the site. Give specifics so I’m not lost on what needs fixing?

    Thanks

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    andrE w. said about 1 month ago

    Above said: Also just to add I see lots of people comment on my site layout. Tell me what you think of the tees but also mention what you think I should fix on the site. Give specifics so I’m not lost on what needs fixing? Thanks

    i didnt make it to the tees, but i remember you posting something about the printing being bad, and i liked a shirt that had tentacles on it or something, but youre still selling the bad shirts?

24. 

    Above said about 1 month ago

    There not bad**** they just don’t look exactly like my mock ups. That’s all.

25. 

    Time Without the E said about 1 month ago

    im actually really impressed
    where ya guys based out of?
    oc im assuming?

26. 

    altercrisis said about 1 month ago

    im mesmerized by the montage, its so awesome i didnt even look at the rest of your site

27. 

    Above said about 1 month ago

    Yeah were based out of the o.c and actually to make a correction its not "we" its really just me running it "Brian"

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    i came from nothing said about 1 month ago

    altercrisis said: im mesmerized by the montage, its so awesome i didnt even look at the rest of your site

    the first time i ignored it and checked the tees but the second time I couldnt get past it and closed the window, and i always use my PC with the sound of because of sites like this

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    tybomb said about 1 month ago

    

    

    I’m not trying to cause a ruckus or prance around shouting rip rip rip, but the designs are pretty similar, a little too similar for me. I don’t think it is a rip, but I think it’s a little overly inspired.

30. 

    Above said about 1 month ago

    I didn’t design it, I can’t say one way or the other if my designer did a semi rip? but I think its different enough to assume its not.

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    cajun metal said about 1 month ago

    tybomb said: I’m not trying to cause a ruckus or prance around shouting rip rip rip, but the designs are pretty similar, a little too similar for my taste.

    Seriously? There are just so many placements and themes to match them for shirts. There are plenty of 'your head is the top of the design' designs out there and even fewer things that fit the concept of something falling down the front of your shirt, like puke or something liquid like splatters or drips of whatever, or beards, or tuxedoes etc etc. So I guess get over it?

    I was really impressed especially since my girlfriend and I are going to try and launch a site for our comics. That shit is tough, especially if your main canvas is a shirt. I give EZ a lot of shit but he definately has his own shit together and like this dude I can respect the amount of hussle it takes to put something together like a line of shirts and a site, basically an entire company, on your own. Even if half of you don’t even design your own sites.
    If all you guys can say is you don’t like the splash page or the music then if I were "brian" I’d be pretty stoked.
    And by the way, if you don’t like the music you have the option of turning it off.
    Good work.

32. 

    cajun metal said about 1 month ago

    p.s. not trying to be a jerk. I was expecting to hate it is all and was pleasantly surprised...

33. 

    Above said about 1 month ago

    Thanks Cajun

34. 

    ChristianTW said about 1 month ago

    pricey.

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    andrE w. said about 1 month ago

    cajun metal said: if you don’t like the music you have the option of turning it off.

    i also have the option of closing the browser. i think sites should be as user friendly as possible, forcing me to turn the music off? id rather not. i buy wayy too many clothes online, i kinda wish more sites annoyed me, maybe id buy less.

36. 

    Above said about 1 month ago

    I’ll lose the splash page and edit the music player to be optional.
    Other than that it sounds like everyone likes the site and clothes? :)

37. 

    Chapter12 said about 1 month ago

    tybomb said: I’m not trying to cause a ruckus or prance around shouting rip rip rip, but the designs are pretty similar, a little too similar for me. I don’t think it is a rip, but I think it’s a little overly inspired.

    I’m sick of people saying stuff like this. Relax, the dude didn’t copyright the idea of having any sort of tentacles on a shirt.

    P.S - The shirts are dope.

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    cajun metal said about 1 month ago

    I clicked ENTER before there was any music playing, I didn’t realize there was any on the splash page.
    Like Frenden said, I wanted to look at some shirts and since the next page had music controls I stopped it and looked around because I’m not crotchety.

    That attitude reminds me of the time I got marks against me in my mock interview in college because of how the cuffs of my shirt looked, not dirty or anything just the way looked coming out of the sleeve of my jacket.
    There’s no reason for that sort of attitude.
    Dude is selling shirts not applying for a stuffy job.
    Refusing to look any further because of some music you can turn off easily and quickly at the top of the page is just crotchety.

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    skullface said about 1 month ago

    godmachine said:

    dobi said: isn’t the splash page the 90's nostalgia version of the electric zombie page?

    you should check out electric suicide (one of the first apparently- dont quote me bro) or vision street wear or countless others..

    reminded me of Akutou, actually

40. 

    Danimal! said about 1 month ago

    cajun metal said: I clicked ENTER before there was any music playing, I didn’t realize there was any on the splash page. Like Frenden said, I wanted to look at some shirts and since the next page had music controls I stopped it and looked around because I’m not crotchety. That attitude reminds me of the time I got marks against me in my mock interview in college because of how the cuffs of my shirt looked, not dirty or anything just the way looked coming out of the sleeve of my jacket. There’s no reason for that sort of attitude. Dude is selling shirts not applying for a stuffy job. Refusing to look any further because of some music you can turn off easily and quickly at the top of the page is just crotchety.

    What you are saying may or may not be true. However, it is a good business owners job to accommodate the consumer. If a lot of people are annoyed by loud music surprising them when they are browsing websites, then it is the business that needs to change, not the consumer’s attitude.

    Plus having music controls in a little 5px sliver at the very top of your page is not the most intuitive interface. I’m accustomed to getting pissed at music that turns itself on automatically and was able to quickly spot the controls, but i know a lot of older people and even people my age that wouldn’t know where or what to look for. Anytime a page has music that i can’t figure out how to turn off, that is pretty much the end of that website for me.

41. 

    FRENDEN said about 1 month ago

    Music is a quick way to turn off users. It isn’t crotchety, it’s a fact that tons of user experience / useability tests bear out.

42. 

    cajun metal said about 1 month ago

    Danimal! said:

    cajun metal said: I clicked ENTER before there was any music playing, I didn’t realize there was any on the splash page. Like Frenden said, I wanted to look at some shirts and since the next page had music controls I stopped it and looked around because I’m not crotchety. That attitude reminds me of the time I got marks against me in my mock interview in college because of how the cuffs of my shirt looked, not dirty or anything just the way looked coming out of the sleeve of my jacket. There’s no reason for that sort of attitude. Dude is selling shirts not applying for a stuffy job. Refusing to look any further because of some music you can turn off easily and quickly at the top of the page is just crotchety.

    What you are saying may or may not be true. However, it is a good business owners job to accommodate the consumer. If a lot of people are annoyed by loud music surprising them when they are browsing websites, then it is the business that needs to change, not the consumer’s attitude.

    Plus having music controls in a little 5px sliver at the very top of your page is not the most intuitive interface. I’m accustomed to getting pissed at music that turns itself on automatically and was able to quickly spot the controls, but i know a lot of older people and even people my age that wouldn’t know where or what to look for. Anytime a page has music that i can’t figure out how to turn off, that is pretty much the end of that website for me.

    This is true, if people hate it they won’t want to shop there. But in this case I read it as something more in the vein of a design critique a’la stuffy design firms, the sort of people that wouldn’t shop at these sort of sites anyways. Would you agree? You and I are both accustomed to the auto music then, and that may or may not say something about target audience’s as well. I’ll have to disagree about the ease of his player to turn off though. I saw it right away, being at the top it was the first thing that loaded.

43. 

    FRENDEN said about 1 month ago

    If the best feature about a player is how easy it is to turn off, perhaps one is not "crotchety" for suggesting its removal.

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    cajun metal said about 1 month ago

    FRENDEN said: Music is a quick way to turn off users. It isn’t crotchety, it’s a fact that tons of user experience / useability tests bear out.

    His site has a quick way for users to turn off the music which addresses those tests. Plenty of sites have them. I’m sure it doesn’t affect Collette’s sales, or they don’t care. We all know what to look for if we don’t want to hear it and if I can’t find the stop button then it’s a problem, otherwise *click*

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    cajun metal said about 1 month ago

    FRENDEN said: If the best feature about a player is how easy it is to turn off, perhaps one is not "crotchety" for suggesting its removal.

    It would only be the best feature to people who don’t like the music.

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    FRENDEN said about 1 month ago

    cajun metal said:I’m sure it doesn’t affect Collette’s sales, or they don’t care.

    Usability testing disagrees with your assumption. Music does indeed affect turnover rate / how long users stick around on a site.

    We needn’t guess at things like this. There are tons of studies that take the guesswork out of these decisions.

    That being said, I’m apparently very crotchety and you should dismiss my opinion outright.

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    Danimal! said about 1 month ago

    When I am on my computer, I am almost always listening to music or watching a movie/tv at the same time. I think that holds true for most people in my/our generation(i’m 21). So for me to have to search for and turn off the music player on a website is just one more step I have to take to be able to use/tolerate a website. Why make more work for the user.

    Sure it’s easy for you and me and probably most of the board to spot the player and quickly turn it off, but we are all part of the design business in one way or another. Even if we aren’t web designer or coders, we are accustomed to the web environment. I know plenty of people my age that are clueless when it comes to computers and websites. I don’t mean to be repetitive, but at least for me, if I can’t get that music off within 5 or 10 seconds, I’m just done looking at that website.

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    Danimal! said about 1 month ago

    cajun metal said:

    FRENDEN said: If the best feature about a player is how easy it is to turn off, perhaps one is not "crotchety" for suggesting its removal.

    It would only be the best feature to people who don’t like the music.

    I usually don’t care what the music is. When i open a website that starts playing music, the first thought I have about that website is "How the hell do i turn this damn music off."

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    cajun metal said about 1 month ago

    FRENDEN said:

    cajun metal said:I’m sure it doesn’t affect Collette’s sales, or they don’t care.

    Usability testing disagrees with your assumption. Music does indeed affect turnover rate / how long users stick around on a site.

    We needn’t guess at things like this. There are tons of studies that take the guesswork out of these decisions.

    That being said, I’m apparently very crotchety and you should dismiss my opinion outright.

    Seriously, Ray, Collette’s success is not an assumption. Or its as much an assumption as I would assume about Johnny Cupcakes success. I admit their sales being affected one way or the other because of music is an assumption, however. It’s obvious that music does indeed affect turnover rate / how long users stick around on a site, but what you keep avoiding is the fact that, like television, Collette’s and Above’s site give the the ability to the user to turn off any offending music. And if they ignore that and choose to simply close the browser rather than continue with what they set out to do (shop) and let technology get the better of them then that, my friend, is crochety.

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    FRENDEN said about 1 month ago

    It is an assumption to say that a music player does not have negative effects on their sales. To indicate otherwise, or to act as though that is not what you meant, is purposely dense.

    Usability testing says that splash pages and embedded music are in the top ten things you shouldn’t do. It’s amateurish and turns users off.

    I’m not arguing based on passion or opinion, but on statistics. Facts. You have no argument to make here.

    It isn’t crotchety.

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    Above said about 1 month ago

    I completely understand both sides of your argument, and agree with all of you. As a web designer I am use to turning music players off or ignoring annoying flashy adds etc... All I was trying to do was bring a differnt appeal to the site. I did not think that a music player and splash page would be so offensive or annoying to the common consumer. and honestly I don’t care what i think looks best, because in the end if the consumer hates my site then I have failed at my task of creating a good site.

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    cajun metal said about 1 month ago

    Sure it’s easy for you and me and probably most of the board to spot the player and quickly turn it off, but we are all part of the design business in one way or another. Even if we aren’t web designer or coders, we are accustomed to the web environment. I know plenty of people my age that are clueless when it comes to computers and websites. I don’t mean to be repetitive, but at least for me, if I can’t get that music off within 5 or 10 seconds, I’m just done looking at that website.

    Then how in the world would they begin to pay for anything online? Anyways. You and Ray are right it affects sales. I wouldn’t put music on my own site but if I did, I’m a designer, it’d be easy to turn off. I’m sure Ray knows how to do that, too, and I think his critique was crochety because before I realized there was music on the splash page I believed he closed the browser on principle rather than difficulty in finding the stop button (although I realize now that the splash page had music which is what he closed which is how the debate began)
    Thanks guys I’m out of here! sorry, no hard feelings.

53. 

    Danimal! said about 1 month ago

    FRENDEN said: If the best feature about a player is how easy it is to turn off, perhaps one is not "crotchety" for suggesting its removal.

    I laughed at this.

54. 

    FRENDEN said about 1 month ago

    ...and I think his critique was crochety...

    You should read my first comment and then look up the definition to hyperbole.

55. 

    Danimal! said about 1 month ago

    I mean i laughed because it was a very good observation, not because it wasn’t true.

56. 

    Killer Napkins said about 1 month ago

    yeah i dunno i went back after like it took too long to load the background thing

57. 

    Above said about 1 month ago

    SPLASH PAGE IS GONE!
    END OF ARGUMENT. HAHA

58. 

    darianhrtwl said about 1 month ago

    pricey.
    i still think if you want to appeal to younger people you need to keep shirts under 20$.
    I liked them but saw the price and was like "no way".
    i can think of tons of other sites with sick shirts that have prices under 20$.

59. 

    ibzombieliquorice said about 1 month ago

    Darian-Hartwell said: pricey. i still think if you want to appeal to younger people you need to keep shirts under 20$. I liked them but saw the price and was like "no way". i can think of tons of other sites with sick shirts that have prices under 20$.

    If you only do shirt runs of 50, and you pay a designer 300$ you have to charge 20 to break even!

60. 

    Simply Complicated said about 1 month ago

    the bg music annoys the fuck out of me..but I really like the UFO tee haha

61. 

    Simply Complicated said about 1 month ago

    Darian-Hartwell said: pricey. i still think if you want to appeal to younger people you need to keep shirts under 20$. I liked them but saw the price and was like "no way". i can think of tons of other sites with sick shirts that have prices under 20$.

    Im young...I spend 30-40 on shirts and so do A TON of kids that I know..not a valid argument lol

62. 

    GhostBird said about 1 month ago

    Jorolo said:

    tybomb said: I’m not trying to cause a ruckus or prance around shouting rip rip rip, but the designs are pretty similar, a little too similar for me. I don’t think it is a rip, but I think it’s a little overly inspired.

    I’m sick of people saying stuff like this. Relax, the dude didn’t copyright the idea of having any sort of tentacles on a shirt.

    P.S - The shirts are dope.

    I designed the first shirt almost 4 years ago, the black color way is the second incarnation, and as far as the placement goes this isn’t the first to take from the neck, as far as I know mine was the first but I have seen atleast 3 since then, atleast this one isn’t clip art.

63. 

    cajun metal said about 1 month ago

    FRENDEN said:

    ...and I think his critique was crochety...

    You should read my first comment and then look up the definition to hyperbole.

    Ray. Good Buddy. You should read my last comment. But to address hyperbole: you qualified your statement with your pet peeves remark which makes it more of an explanation of why you would actually do that sort of thing rather than a joke.

    Like I said to Ray, I thought he had closed the page on Principle.
    Listen. Designers, Friends. While it’s a good thing to design for the lowest common denominator you have to keep the medium in mind. In this case The Internet. My girlfriend designed a site for a not so net savvy friend who was very VERY concerned that visitors to her site wouldn’t know how to use a scroll bar. Not a clever one disguised as something else but a standard one like you see to the right of your browser. The very same browser, I might add, that said visitors would be using to get to her site in the first place.
    My point is that if you don’t know how to use the internet and you can’t be bothered to learn then it is your problem, and not the designers, that you can’t navigate or use the internet to whatever ends you desire.
    As designers it is our job to communicate ideas easily and effectively (or in the case of shirts sometimes we just make things that look cool) but the bar is set by the medium. If you design an ad for a magazine you’re designing for people who read magazines. If its a good design even those who can’t actually read will be able to get the jist of the message. But if they don’t know how to open the magazine it is not the designers problem.
    And its up to each of us individually to choose our level of involvement in the customer service philosophy of the Customer Is Always Right.
    While some customers may be lost to poor choices in design (like loud music on a splash page) it is a tragedy to be afraid to loose them to Principle which is why I thought Ray was being crochety.
    And for the record, I hate music on websites because I listen to my own while browsing but just like TV I have the ability to turn it off. *click*
    I know how to open the magazine.

64. 

    Jon Kruse said about 1 month ago

    cajun metal said:

    FRENDEN said:

    ...and I think his critique was crochety...

    You should read my first comment and then look up the definition to hyperbole.

    Ray. Good Buddy. You should read my last comment. But to address hyperbole: you qualified your statement with your pet peeves remark which makes it more of an explanation of why you would actually do that sort of thing rather than a joke.

    Like I said to Ray, I thought he had closed the page on Principle.
    Listen. Designers, Friends. While it’s a good thing to design for the lowest common denominator you have to keep the medium in mind. In this case The Internet. My girlfriend designed a site for a not so net savvy friend who was very VERY concerned that visitors to her site wouldn’t know how to use a scroll bar. Not a clever one disguised as something else but a standard one like you see to the right of your browser. The very same browser, I might add, that said visitors would be using to get to her site in the first place.
    My point is that if you don’t know how to use the internet and you can’t be bothered to learn then it is your problem, and not the designers, that you can’t navigate or use the internet to whatever ends you desire.
    As designers it is our job to communicate ideas easily and effectively (or in the case of shirts sometimes we just make things that look cool) but the bar is set by the medium. If you design an ad for a magazine you’re designing for people who read magazines. If its a good design even those who can’t actually read will be able to get the jist of the message. But if they don’t know how to open the magazine it is not the designers problem.
    And its up to each of us individually to choose our level of involvement in the customer service philosophy of the Customer Is Always Right.
    While some customers may be lost to poor choices in design (like loud music on a splash page) it is a tragedy to be afraid to loose them to Principle which is why I thought Ray was being crochety.
    And for the record, I hate music on websites because I listen to my own while browsing but just like TV I have the ability to turn it off. *click*
    I know how to open the magazine.

    blah blah blah I’m trying to sound smart blah blah...

    I didn’t make it past the first line.

65. 

    cajun metal said about 1 month ago

    Jon Kruse said:

    cajun metal said:

    FRENDEN said:

    ...and I think his critique was crochety...

    You should read my first comment and then look up the definition to hyperbole.

    Ray. Good Buddy. You should read my last comment. But to address hyperbole: you qualified your statement with your pet peeves remark which makes it more of an explanation of why you would actually do that sort of thing rather than a joke.

    Like I said to Ray, I thought he had closed the page on Principle.
    Listen. Designers, Friends. While it’s a good thing to design for the lowest common denominator you have to keep the medium in mind. In this case The Internet. My girlfriend designed a site for a not so net savvy friend who was very VERY concerned that visitors to her site wouldn’t know how to use a scroll bar. Not a clever one disguised as something else but a standard one like you see to the right of your browser. The very same browser, I might add, that said visitors would be using to get to her site in the first place.
    My point is that if you don’t know how to use the internet and you can’t be bothered to learn then it is your problem, and not the designers, that you can’t navigate or use the internet to whatever ends you desire.
    As designers it is our job to communicate ideas easily and effectively (or in the case of shirts sometimes we just make things that look cool) but the bar is set by the medium. If you design an ad for a magazine you’re designing for people who read magazines. If its a good design even those who can’t actually read will be able to get the jist of the message. But if they don’t know how to open the magazine it is not the designers problem.
    And its up to each of us individually to choose our level of involvement in the customer service philosophy of the Customer Is Always Right.
    While some customers may be lost to poor choices in design (like loud music on a splash page) it is a tragedy to be afraid to loose them to Principle which is why I thought Ray was being crochety.
    And for the record, I hate music on websites because I listen to my own while browsing but just like TV I have the ability to turn it off. *click*
    I know how to open the magazine.

    blah blah blah I’m trying to sound smart blah blah...

    I didn’t make it past the first line.

    stay mediocre jon

66. 

    Jon Kruse said about 1 month ago

    cajun metal said:

    Jon Kruse said:

    cajun metal said:

    FRENDEN said:

    ...and I think his critique was crochety...

    You should read my first comment and then look up the definition to hyperbole.

    Ray. Good Buddy. You should read my last comment. But to address hyperbole: you qualified your statement with your pet peeves remark which makes it more of an explanation of why you would actually do that sort of thing rather than a joke.

    Like I said to Ray, I thought he had closed the page on Principle.
    Listen. Designers, Friends. While it’s a good thing to design for the lowest common denominator you have to keep the medium in mind. In this case The Internet. My girlfriend designed a site for a not so net savvy friend who was very VERY concerned that visitors to her site wouldn’t know how to use a scroll bar. Not a clever one disguised as something else but a standard one like you see to the right of your browser. The very same browser, I might add, that said visitors would be using to get to her site in the first place.
    My point is that if you don’t know how to use the internet and you can’t be bothered to learn then it is your problem, and not the designers, that you can’t navigate or use the internet to whatever ends you desire.
    As designers it is our job to communicate ideas easily and effectively (or in the case of shirts sometimes we just make things that look cool) but the bar is set by the medium. If you design an ad for a magazine you’re designing for people who read magazines. If its a good design even those who can’t actually read will be able to get the jist of the message. But if they don’t know how to open the magazine it is not the designers problem.
    And its up to each of us individually to choose our level of involvement in the customer service philosophy of the Customer Is Always Right.
    While some customers may be lost to poor choices in design (like loud music on a splash page) it is a tragedy to be afraid to loose them to Principle which is why I thought Ray was being crochety.
    And for the record, I hate music on websites because I listen to my own while browsing but just like TV I have the ability to turn it off. *click*
    I know how to open the magazine.

    blah blah blah I’m trying to sound smart blah blah...

    I didn’t make it past the first line.

    stay mediocre jon

    Cajun metal, may I address this attack with my own qualified statement. Don’t get all butt hurt about it.

67. 

    Johnny D said about 1 month ago

    Simmer boys. Let this go back to being about Above and not yourselves

68. 

    cajun metal said about 1 month ago

    Jon Kruse said:

    cajun metal said:

    Jon Kruse said:

    cajun metal said:

    FRENDEN said:

    ...and I think his critique was crochety...

    You should read my first comment and then look up the definition to hyperbole.

    Ray. Good Buddy. You should read my last comment. But to address hyperbole: you qualified your statement with your pet peeves remark which makes it more of an explanation of why you would actually do that sort of thing rather than a joke.

    Like I said to Ray, I thought he had closed the page on Principle.
    Listen. Designers, Friends. While it’s a good thing to design for the lowest common denominator you have to keep the medium in mind. In this case The Internet. My girlfriend designed a site for a not so net savvy friend who was very VERY concerned that visitors to her site wouldn’t know how to use a scroll bar. Not a clever one disguised as something else but a standard one like you see to the right of your browser. The very same browser, I might add, that said visitors would be using to get to her site in the first place.
    My point is that if you don’t know how to use the internet and you can’t be bothered to learn then it is your problem, and not the designers, that you can’t navigate or use the internet to whatever ends you desire.
    As designers it is our job to communicate ideas easily and effectively (or in the case of shirts sometimes we just make things that look cool) but the bar is set by the medium. If you design an ad for a magazine you’re designing for people who read magazines. If its a good design even those who can’t actually read will be able to get the jist of the message. But if they don’t know how to open the magazine it is not the designers problem.
    And its up to each of us individually to choose our level of involvement in the customer service philosophy of the Customer Is Always Right.
    While some customers may be lost to poor choices in design (like loud music on a splash page) it is a tragedy to be afraid to loose them to Principle which is why I thought Ray was being crochety.
    And for the record, I hate music on websites because I listen to my own while browsing but just like TV I have the ability to turn it off. *click*
    I know how to open the magazine.

    blah blah blah I’m trying to sound smart blah blah...

    I didn’t make it past the first line.

    stay mediocre jon

    Cajun metal, may I address this attack with my own qualified statement. Don’t get all butt hurt about it.

    I’m not going to get into a pissing contest with you, you’re a pretty clever dude but nobody attacked anybody, read it and you’ll see. Otherwise there’s no need to be a dick.

69. 

    cajun metal said about 1 month ago

    johnnyd said: Simmer boys. Let this go back to being about Above and not yourselves

    good point. I’m out.

70. 

    Danimal! said about 1 month ago

    any designer who blames the end user for usability issues is in for a uphill career path.

71. 

    dougie said about 1 month ago

    maybe someone should lock this thread to save any more harm, everyone’s had their chance to say what they think...

72. 

    Jon Kruse said about 1 month ago

    dougie said: maybe someone should lock this thread to save any more harm, everyone’s had their chance to say what they think...

    hold on I’m going to put dick noses on people ...

73. 

    skull with hair said about 1 month ago

    tybomb said: I’m not trying to cause a ruckus or prance around shouting rip rip rip, but the designs are pretty similar, a little too similar for me. I don’t think it is a rip, but I think it’s a little overly inspired.

    here it is again...
    

74. 

    treyinstereo said about 1 month ago

    Above - I dig it. Some of your shirt designs are sick. It looks like you are really putting a lot of hard work into your line, and it will pay off in the end.

    In the meantime, if you can’t come up with a site that you (or your customers) are feeling, I would be willing to work with you on one :)

    All the best!

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