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  <body>So I started this design for a client and they were not into it. I am still going to finish it so if anyone is interested in it please email me at fennen529@gmail.com

&lt;img src="http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/1/l_e9b235dceb30409b9cc4013e0364cf6c.png"&gt;

also this is what it was going to look like with the name 
http://www.michaelfennen.com/reason.png
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  <title>got to love clients!</title>
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      <body>looks cool with the text.  people are dumb.</body>
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      <body>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;cite&gt;{miles to go}  said:&lt;/cite&gt; looks cool with the text.  people are dumb.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Thanks Greg... 
yeah it wouldn't have been that annoying, but I asked them a couple different times for ideas and they just told me to do what ever I wanted so... 
oh well no worries :)</body>
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      <body>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;cite&gt;Beadler said:&lt;/cite&gt; &lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;cite&gt;{miles to go}  said:&lt;/cite&gt; looks cool with the text.  people are dumb.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Thanks Greg... 
yeah it wouldn't have been that annoying, but I asked them a couple different times for ideas and they just told me to do what ever I wanted so... 
oh well no worries :)&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well bud, that's totally billable. Send them an ivoice for more hours now. That's their fault.</body>
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      <body>sucks dude, that looks awesome
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      <body>I know how you feel, Beadler.  I hate getting into situations where the client says "do whatever" and then they shoot down ideas.  At that point I tell them that they need to give me a direction because we're wasting time.

EDIT: Ugh, I'm going through this right now!</body>
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      <body>Yeah man that sucks.
You should charge them haha
looks good though
im sure you can sale it</body>
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      <body>thanks guys...I hope it sells too

I am going to try to get something specific from this client
before I start anything else though...

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      <body>definitely charge.  I'm not a designer but as far as my friends go, I always recommend downpayments and rough sketches to present before you do any real work!

I like your stuff!</body>
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      <body>yeah I always get a deposit before I start it's just helpful to have direction as well...

thanks though I'm glad you like  </body>
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      <body>looks good and it reminds me of hoobastank "the reason". I hate it when they do this. worse though is when they give you something really specific so you do it. then your happy with how it looks and then they message you saying errr.....can you do this idea instead. arghhhhh.....bunch 'o turds!!</body>
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      <body>Finished for now:

&lt;img src="http://www.michaelfennen.com/reason2.png"&gt;

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      <body>any ideas about who would pick this up... </body>
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