so i've been working about 10 hours straight (maybe a brief break for breakfast and lunch) and now i'm done...and my hands don't want to work anymore i hate this 2008-09-02T03:57:05-04:00 25 2008-09-02T01:59:58-04:00 true 0 7015 false false 4216 6102 1 2009-11-21T03:43:52-05:00 281 I've been working 16-20 hour days for a few weeks. I had a brief respite with a trip to LA, but am otherwise a claw-fisted, swollen shoulder, sore back of a mess. I did twenty five illustrations today and have six more to do before bed. In short: I feel your pain. 7015 Post 2008-09-02T02:02:21-04:00 183021 5738 2008-09-02T02:02:21-04:00 umm i think you feel my pain a quite bit more my friend yowza 7015 Post 2008-09-02T02:04:05-04:00 183023 6102 2008-09-02T02:04:05-04:00 Take breaks, stretch your hands, sit up straight - you're still young and can recover now- but in the future you won't be so lucky. Trust me - one year of hell from Repetitive Stress makes me all preachy and shit to other people. 7015 Post 2008-09-02T02:07:13-04:00 183024 3005 2008-09-02T02:07:24-04:00 i know breaks are important, but I'm sure it's like this with most people here once I start something, I hate stopping, I just want to get it done. I hate interruptions 7015 Post 2008-09-02T02:08:27-04:00 183027 6102 2008-09-02T02:08:27-04:00 ahahah you iterally TOOK MY POST! I think you got me by 8hrs 7015 Post 2008-09-02T02:10:24-04:00 183028 4110 2008-09-02T02:10:24-04:00 <blockquote><cite>ithew said:</cite> i know breaks are important, but I'm sure it's like this with most people here once I start something, I hate stopping, I just want to get it done. I hate interruptions</blockquote> Ya I know - I'm jus' saying. 6 months off work and 6 months getting back to it was thoroughly shitty...not to mention the threat of not being able to have a design career..this is just old Amy saying look after yo'self! 7015 Post 2008-09-02T02:10:29-04:00 183029 3005 2008-09-02T02:11:15-04:00 I will take that advice to the heart I need someone like you to tell me ever hour to take a break and stetch my hands today was better than most though, sometimes I forget to eat, forget to sleep... 7015 Post 2008-09-02T02:13:25-04:00 183030 6102 2008-09-02T02:13:25-04:00 Ameeee is right. Do whatever you can to ensure your ability to work into your old age. In the current global econonomy, I don't think any of us are going to be retiring early, har. I try and take a break at least every two hours. I lift some light weights to exercise my shoulders at least twice a day and do some stretching too. I still piss off my hands, shoulder, and back often. More-so since I was in a car accident a year-ish ago. 7015 Post 2008-09-02T02:14:18-04:00 183031 5738 2008-09-02T02:27:02-04:00 what kind of stetches..and yeah it just isn't my hands either... i find myself without knowing it, getting my body all tangled in weird postions while working so weird that i got to bed with my back, shoulders and knees in pain who woulda thought being at a computer for so long could be so stressful to the body 7015 Post 2008-09-02T02:16:35-04:00 183035 6102 2008-09-02T02:16:35-04:00 i need to get a new desk because its like 8 inches higher then it should be, so my wrists killll when im drawing/working in photoshop. so i get up regularly to drink/eat and walk around. 7015 Post 2008-09-02T02:47:43-04:00 183049 890 2008-09-02T02:47:43-04:00 <blockquote><cite>FRENDEN said:</cite> I've been working 16-20 hour days for a few weeks. I had a brief respite with a trip to LA, but am otherwise a claw-fisted, swollen shoulder, sore back of a mess. I did twenty five illustrations today and have six more to do before bed. In short: I feel your pain.</blockquote> I wish I could do 25 illustrations in a year!Btw, still using manga frenden? 7015 Post 2008-09-02T02:49:34-04:00 183052 4216 2008-09-02T02:49:34-04:00 <blockquote><cite>SCAPYYY said:</cite> i need to get a new desk because its like 8 inches higher then it should be, so my wrists killll when im drawing/working in photoshop. so i get up regularly to drink/eat and walk around.</blockquote> probably a good idea, i used to work on an art desk way back in the day, one of those that you can angle and such...it was too freakin high..then i got a real desk and loved it but now I'm working on the kitchen table (in between moving) and it really sucks 7015 Post 2008-09-02T02:51:08-04:00 183055 6102 2008-09-02T02:51:08-04:00 <blockquote><cite>deepee said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>FRENDEN said:</cite> I've been working 16-20 hour days for a few weeks. I had a brief respite with a trip to LA, but am otherwise a claw-fisted, swollen shoulder, sore back of a mess. I did twenty five illustrations today and have six more to do before bed. In short: I feel your pain.</blockquote> I wish I could do 25 illustrations in a year!Btw, still using manga frenden?</blockquote> They were frames of animation, about twenty characters, and a few backgrounds. I did them in Painter. I've been noodling with a real brush and ink lately. I like it a lot, but haven't been able to better integrate them into my commercial work-flow because of a singular focus on this large, multi-week project that is monopolizing my time. 7015 Post 2008-09-02T03:03:19-04:00 183058 5738 2008-09-02T03:03:19-04:00 Yea. I just can't get anything done. I mean, I'm sure you dont scan your drawing in, and I don't know what to use in painter that is similar to the pencil tool in manga. 7015 Post 2008-09-02T03:12:05-04:00 183061 4216 2008-09-02T03:12:05-04:00 Felt pens drop down a similarly stark line. There's not really a <em>pencil</em> in Painter that behaves the way MS' does. Inking can get pretty close. If you're making good work in Manga, who cares anyhow! I am using any tool that helps me make good stuff. Real brushes, Painter, Manga, Illustrator, Photoshop, OpenCanvas, Comicworks by Deleter, etc! 7015 Post 2008-09-02T03:29:13-04:00 183077 5738 2008-09-02T03:35:42-04:00 Yo Ray, when can we blog readers get a peek of this analogue work? 7015 Post 2008-09-02T03:30:08-04:00 183079 3005 2008-09-02T03:30:08-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Ameeee said:</cite> Yo Ray, when can we blog readers get a peek of this analogue work?</blockquote> it's on his flickr and it's awesome 7015 Post 2008-09-02T03:30:42-04:00 183081 6102 2008-09-02T03:30:42-04:00 <blockquote><cite>ithew said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Ameeee said:</cite> Yo Ray, when can we blog readers get a peek of this analogue work?</blockquote> it's on his flickr and it's awesome</blockquote> Gdamn - I need to get right into flickr!!! Thanks ithew! 7015 Post 2008-09-02T03:32:02-04:00 183083 3005 2008-09-02T03:32:14-04:00 <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/rayfrenden/2783408765/" title="Dipping into REAL brush work by Ray Frenden, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3041/2783408765_4159fed806.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="Dipping into REAL brush work" /></a> I have some shitty iSight pictures from some of my forays on <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/rayfrenden/sets/72157606867874698/">Flickr</a>. I had a chance to do some on the plane from LA. I bought some art supplies while there. I want to tinker more, but I was glad to find I have just as much, if not more control, with a brush and ink. My Flickr account has other traditional work (a lot that is frankly more impressive than some plane doodles, heh), but I don't feel like digging. :p 7015 Post 2008-09-02T03:33:29-04:00 183084 5738 2008-09-02T03:35:04-04:00 flickr is a good thing! 7015 Post 2008-09-02T03:34:16-04:00 183085 6102 2008-09-02T03:34:16-04:00 I get a decent amount of Art Director inquiries as a direct result of having a Flickr account. 7015 Post 2008-09-02T03:41:22-04:00 183090 5738 2008-09-02T03:41:22-04:00 It is indeed! Thanks Ray - I will start using my account now. I've been neglectful. 7015 Post 2008-09-02T03:41:33-04:00 183091 3005 2008-09-02T03:41:33-04:00 <blockquote><cite>FRENDEN said:</cite> I get a decent amount of Art Director inquiries as a direct result of having a Flickr account.</blockquote> interesting...I wonder how people get my information...for the most part I would think here..but I have stuff all over the internet by the way Ray, that board you did for 410bc has got to be one of my all time favorties 7015 Post 2008-09-02T03:43:50-04:00 183093 6102 2008-09-02T03:43:50-04:00 Thanks! It was a fun project and they offered me complete creative freedom. 7015 Post 2008-09-02T03:45:46-04:00 183094 5738 2008-09-02T03:45:46-04:00 Thats awesome Ray. Your lucky to be so talented man. Good Job. 7015 Post 2008-09-02T03:57:05-04:00 183096 4216 2008-09-02T03:57:05-04:00