I'm not calling out anyone's piece in particular, but this is why i hate it when people post asking for spec work. For the next few days on emptees I have to sort through the worst shirt designs all for the same client. Potential Clients/Designers need to use this website as a resource the right way. Look through the pages for a design that catches you eyes. THEN LOOK AT THEIR PROFILE AND CONTACT SAID DESIGNER. /End Rant...sorry for being a dick. A little emotional today. 2008-08-22T21:45:36-04:00 60 2008-08-22T15:41:00-04:00 6661 false false 1027 182 1 2009-11-08T01:23:38-05:00 822 I got some midol for ya if you need it buddy 6661 Post 2008-08-22T15:42:19-04:00 173438 2329 2008-08-22T15:42:19-04:00 I'm behind you 100%. This goes for victory too. Come on now Jason! 6661 Post 2008-08-22T15:42:51-04:00 173440 782 2008-08-22T15:42:51-04:00 <blockquote><cite>RustyEight said:</cite> I got some midol for ya if you need it buddy</blockquote> HAHAHA I'm definitely on my man period today. I think I'm gonna go buy the ALK3 goddammit re-issue today because i hear it has a kick ass documentary on it. 6661 Post 2008-08-22T15:44:01-04:00 173441 182 2008-08-22T15:44:01-04:00 i agree, not with the midol thing, but the other stuff 6661 Post 2008-08-22T15:46:15-04:00 173442 67 2008-08-22T15:46:15-04:00 I'll bring you some midol. but yeah, like you and I were saying earlier I agree. 6661 Post 2008-08-22T15:59:23-04:00 173457 1140 2008-08-22T15:59:23-04:00 plus your crushing the kiddies dreams, I'm sorry but theres been some caca lately, DONGGGG BUTTTEERRRR 6661 Post 2008-08-22T16:01:50-04:00 173462 782 2008-08-22T16:01:50-04:00 Spec work makes me poot. 6661 Post 2008-08-22T16:01:57-04:00 173463 997 2008-08-22T16:01:57-04:00 <blockquote><cite>kyleisez said:</cite> plus your crushing the kiddies dreams, I'm sorry but theres been some caca lately, DONGGGG BUTTTEERRRR</blockquote> Yah but at the same token, it gives guys like me a way to build up my portfolio and make designs for bigger bands... which normally I wouldn't have a chance to do. 6661 Post 2008-08-22T16:02:54-04:00 173464 2329 2008-08-22T16:02:54-04:00 I don't agree, because I would have never gotten contacted by doublej, and then I wouldn't have had the chance to submit the design I did, and have it be accepted. 6661 Post 2008-08-22T16:04:16-04:00 173466 3515 2008-08-22T16:04:16-04:00 <blockquote><cite>volatile v said:</cite> I don't agree, because I would have never gotten contacted by doublej, and then I wouldn't have had the chance to submit the design I did, and have it be accepted.</blockquote> You could have contacted him, dude. 6661 Post 2008-08-22T16:06:02-04:00 173469 997 2008-08-22T16:06:02-04:00 You know, you can always contact these people as well. Why wait until someone emails you asking for work? No spec work for me anymore, it sucks. But I can respect someone's choice for doing so. Maybe there should be a section for this type of stuff. 6661 Post 2008-08-22T16:06:37-04:00 173471 285 2008-08-22T16:06:37-04:00 And then have him look at our minimal portfolios... and then be rejected :( 6661 Post 2008-08-22T16:06:44-04:00 173472 2329 2008-08-22T16:06:44-04:00 <blockquote><cite>volatile v said:</cite> I don't agree, because I would have never gotten contacted by doublej, and then I wouldn't have had the chance to submit the design I did, and have it be accepted.</blockquote> Contact them, that's how i did it. And, obviously there are exceptions to my rant. Your design is awesomeness. 6661 Post 2008-08-22T16:08:41-04:00 173473 182 2008-08-22T16:10:22-04:00 <blockquote><cite>RustyEight said:</cite> And then have him look at our minimal portfolios... and then be rejected :(</blockquote> Then make a design and just submit it to them if you wanna do the speck work kinda thing. If they dig it, they will buy it from you and get more work. There are plenty of ways to get work without replying to a post on emptees. 6661 Post 2008-08-22T16:09:06-04:00 173474 1140 2008-08-22T16:09:06-04:00 so posting it here is any different. If its crap it's crap. Emptees doesnt magically shine these recent poo poos 6661 Post 2008-08-22T16:11:48-04:00 173478 782 2008-08-22T16:11:48-04:00 <blockquote><cite>heavyprints said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>volatile v said:</cite> I don't agree, because I would have never gotten contacted by doublej, and then I wouldn't have had the chance to submit the design I did, and have it be accepted.</blockquote> You could have contacted him, dude.</blockquote> But I wouldn't have known they were looking, you know? Without that thread up I wouldn't have known I could submit, and I actually made that design after I e-mailed him, so the design would have NEVER EVEN HAPPENED! GASP! I understand where you guys are coming from, but yeah. Thought I'd share my part. 6661 Post 2008-08-22T16:12:57-04:00 173483 3515 2008-08-22T16:15:39-04:00 <blockquote><cite>faithbydesign said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>volatile v said:</cite> I don't agree, because I would have never gotten contacted by doublej, and then I wouldn't have had the chance to submit the design I did, and have it be accepted.</blockquote> Contact them, that's how i did it. And, obviously there are exceptions to my rant. Your design is awesomeness.</blockquote> did you contact us or did we contact you? All I remember is there was a very awkward silence the next morning. Damn roofies... must have put it in the wrong glass. 6661 Post 2008-08-22T16:13:13-04:00 173484 1140 2008-08-22T16:13:25-04:00 this is why I think there needs to be a section for approved art. Its all i care to look at and post anyway 6661 Post 2008-08-22T16:13:54-04:00 173488 782 2008-08-22T16:13:54-04:00 <blockquote><cite>kyleisez said:</cite> so posting it here is any different. If its crap it's crap. Emptees doesnt magically shine these recent poo poos</blockquote> No not saything that it does, just saying Spec work has its uses. Its definitely not for everyone, but it can be useful for guys trying to make a name for themselves. And yes, there have been a LOT of crappy submissions lately. 6661 Post 2008-08-22T16:14:36-04:00 173490 2329 2008-08-22T16:14:57-04:00 <blockquote><cite>a killer wombat said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>faithbydesign said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>volatile v said:</cite> I don't agree, because I would have never gotten contacted by doublej, and then I wouldn't have had the chance to submit the design I did, and have it be accepted.</blockquote> Contact them, that's how i did it. And, obviously there are exceptions to my rant. Your design is awesomeness.</blockquote> did you contact us or did we contact you? All I remember is there was a very awkward silence the next morning. Damn roofies... must have put it in the wrong glass.</blockquote> I just hid in your bushes for like 4 weeks and dug through your trash can for nutrition until you gave me the position of we are synapse janitor. 6661 Post 2008-08-22T16:16:14-04:00 173493 182 2008-08-22T16:16:14-04:00 Raul, the MMA janitor. Indeed. I bet wombats trash is interesting. 6661 Post 2008-08-22T16:18:06-04:00 173495 997 2008-08-22T16:18:06-04:00 <blockquote><cite>volatile v said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>heavyprints said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>volatile v said:</cite> I don't agree, because I would have never gotten contacted by doublej, and then I wouldn't have had the chance to submit the design I did, and have it be accepted.</blockquote> You could have contacted him, dude.</blockquote> But I wouldn't have known they were looking, you know? Without that thread up I wouldn't have known I could submit, and I actually made that design after I e-mailed him, so the design would have NEVER EVEN HAPPENED! GASP! I understand where you guys are coming from, but yeah. Thought I'd share my part.</blockquote> Just email them (merch directors, bands), for the most part all of these guys are pretty cool and are always looking for work. Your argument is "How am i supposed to grown and expand my portfolio if i wait for them to come to me?" but what your arguing for is waiting for someone to come onto emptees and post looking for specwork. Where is the initiative to get up and go? You're waiting for someone to come find you!!! AND FADE TO BLACK! *gavel 6661 Post 2008-08-22T16:23:50-04:00 173502 182 2008-08-22T16:24:36-04:00 <blockquote><cite>kyleisez said:</cite> this is why I think there needs to be a section for approved art. Its all i care to look at and post anyway</blockquote> eh, granted a lot of work on here that isn't approved is basically terrible, there is some really great work on here that didn't get picked up. 6661 Post 2008-08-22T16:26:18-04:00 173505 1815 2008-08-22T16:26:40-04:00 "if you design it, they will come" 6661 Post 2008-08-22T16:28:50-04:00 173508 1140 2008-08-22T16:28:50-04:00 <blockquote><cite>kyleisez said:</cite> so posting it here is any different. If its crap it's crap. Emptees doesnt magically shine these recent poo poos</blockquote> People who say "you can't polish a turd" have never tried to sun-dry and lacquer one before. Nonetheless, the empteers enthusiasm to participate in the constant stream of spec work posts is what keeps companies posting spec work. If they are ignored by all but the most amateur artists hopefully they'll go away. 6661 Post 2008-08-22T18:14:32-04:00 173652 6468 2008-08-22T18:14:32-04:00 i like spec work cause I don't like doing tee shirt most of the time. i really hate doing them for some reason. So only do it if i feel up to it. I do not accept tee jobs normally unless i like the band and have a clear idea.lol 6661 Post 2008-08-22T18:32:17-04:00 173672 664 2008-08-22T18:32:17-04:00 You have to consider the lesser known designers might not have the connections the bigger designers do so contacting them is sometimes difficult. I do think a little effort in getting in touch with them isn't too hard. 6661 Post 2008-08-22T18:34:47-04:00 173676 2756 2008-08-22T18:34:47-04:00 <blockquote><cite>ChadDoesDesign said:</cite> i like spec work cause I don't like doing tee shirt most of the time. i really hate doing them for some reason. So only do it if i feel up to it. I do not accept tee jobs normally unless i like the band and have a clear idea.lol</blockquote> that's because you're no good at them....oh shit i have some of yours loved. *insert foot in mouth 6661 Post 2008-08-22T18:35:29-04:00 173678 182 2008-08-22T18:35:29-04:00 do spec work if you want! dont do spec work if you dont! : ] 6661 Post 2008-08-22T18:36:36-04:00 173680 1486 2008-08-22T18:36:36-04:00 i've done spec work for a couple people...and im already really sick of it. i always thought it would be cool do to shirts for the major labels out there...but im figuring out more and more that if i spent as much time on my personal work that i do on spec work, people would come to me instead. im done spending hours on a design only to get the "sorry dude, we're just not feeling this" email. thats just how i feel. i agree with what EZ and faithbydesign. 6661 Post 2008-08-22T18:37:52-04:00 173681 1541 2008-08-22T18:37:52-04:00 <blockquote><cite>faithbydesign said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>ChadDoesDesign said:</cite> i like spec work cause I don't like doing tee shirt most of the time. i really hate doing them for some reason. So only do it if i feel up to it. I do not accept tee jobs normally unless i like the band and have a clear idea.lol</blockquote> that's because you're no good at them....oh shit i have some of yours loved. *insert foot in mouth</blockquote> hahaha nice. i only try to post my better ones on here. this way its builds up a legend about me. haha but this whole summer i only did about 5-10 tee designs. 6661 Post 2008-08-22T18:42:30-04:00 173687 664 2008-08-22T18:44:19-04:00 <blockquote><cite>kyleisez said:</cite> this is why I think there needs to be a section for approved art. Its all i care to look at and post anyway</blockquote> I remember you had a rant about this a while back. Approved work isn't necessarily good, and unapproved work can be amazing. Should this shirt http://www.emptees.com/tees/1162-maggot-folk take a back seat to a shirt that's been approved and printed? 6661 Post 2008-08-22T18:56:19-04:00 173696 1219 2008-08-22T18:56:38-04:00 <blockquote><cite>heroes said:</cite> do spec work if you want! dont do spec work if you dont! : ]</blockquote> 6661 Post 2008-08-22T18:56:28-04:00 173697 785 2008-08-22T18:56:28-04:00 ye this site is for helping artists isnt it ? helping people get shirts approved not just fueling egos 6661 Post 2008-08-22T18:57:37-04:00 173700 1486 2008-08-22T18:57:37-04:00 <blockquote><cite>heroes said:</cite> ye this site is for helping artists isnt it ? helping people get shirts approved not just fueling egos</blockquote> well said 6661 Post 2008-08-22T18:59:14-04:00 173702 785 2008-08-22T18:59:14-04:00 <blockquote><cite>heroes said:</cite> ye this site is for helping artists isnt it ? helping people get shirts approved not just fueling egos</blockquote> I don't understand where this is coming from at all. I believe my thread started with how i hate spec work and seeing a million crappy designs right after spec work. And, how the companies should email artists directly. I don't see anywhere where I said that everyone who made shirts that aren't approved or used by anyone should not go anywhere on this site. And, this is a legitimate t-shirt community and not deviant art. I'm allowed to personally have my own thoughts on what's shit here on the site when I work hard to create original pieces. I get sick of people saying "this is a community to help each other out" It is to a degree, but for the most part not it's not. That's why their is a love rating system and you've marked it as done. The only way this is a site for help is in a help thread or if they have it flagged for not finished. I'm not at all directing this negatively to heroes or looking for a you suck match with anyone. Just having a discussion. I really do like everyone here. 6661 Post 2008-08-22T19:06:17-04:00 173706 182 2008-08-22T19:08:15-04:00 This is a good debate. 6661 Post 2008-08-22T19:06:43-04:00 173707 1056 2008-08-22T19:06:43-04:00 <blockquote><cite>sjkaufman1 said:</cite> This is a good debate.</blockquote> this has been debated a ton of times!!! Haha, it never ends. I for one am against spec work. Its really only good for people employing. Otherwise you are just working without the promise of being paid when you could go find a client that will pay you no matter what. The reason there is so much spec work out there is because every "fanboy" wants to design for their favorite band or company and they don't have a decent portfolio. If everyone really took the time to develop their portfolio and only contracted work out instead of specing everything the amount of it would drastically decrease. Not only would it decrease but it would mean you would be a better / stronger designer and would never need to do spec work again. Spec work is basically a fast track idea for both the designer and the buyers. Its a shot in the dark that your work might be liked and get you that accreditation instead of working to achieve it on your own. Like I said, take the time to really hone your skill set and people will come to you. .... I've just given into the fact that heros is the devils advocate. No matter what you say he is going to fight it, not matter how right or wrong the point is. Haha. 6661 Post 2008-08-22T19:12:29-04:00 173717 1140 2008-08-22T19:14:04-04:00 <blockquote><cite>kyleisez said:</cite> this is why I think there needs to be a section for approved art. Its all i care to look at and post anyway</blockquote> this is what i was getting at and yes this is a legitimate t shirt community but it is not a competition site the loves are just one designer letting another designer know that they think they are doing good work everyone is at different levels so something looks "shite" to you someone may ahve put alot of effort into it .You dont see go media coming on here going urgh we have to sift through all your shit designs till we get to something we like also im not the devils advocate 6661 Post 2008-08-22T19:12:48-04:00 173718 1486 2008-08-22T19:16:33-04:00 <blockquote><cite>a killer wombat said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>sjkaufman1 said:</cite> This is a good debate.</blockquote> this has been debated a ton of times!!! Haha, it never ends. I for one am against spec work. Its really only good for people employing. Otherwise you are just working without the promise of being paid when you could go find a client that will pay you no matter what. The reason there is so much spec work out there is because every "fanboy" wants to design for their favorite band or company and they don't have a decent portfolio. If everyone really took the time to develop their portfolio and only contracted work out instead of specing everything the amount of it would drastically decrease. .... I've just given into the fact that heros is the devils advocate. No matter what you say he is going to fight it, not matter how right or wrong the point is. Haha.</blockquote> Spec has never worked for me in the past. There simply is to much competition to have my work get by. I also don't like the fact that whenever you do spec they want the finished product. No running ideas by them, no sketches. They want the finished design, and anything less is unacceptable. 6661 Post 2008-08-22T19:16:51-04:00 173722 1219 2008-08-22T19:16:51-04:00 <blockquote> the loves are just one designer letting another designer know that they think they are doing good work </blockquote> I wish this was the case, but it seems that alot of times this site is just a popularity contest with people giving loves based on the person not the design. 6661 Post 2008-08-22T19:32:51-04:00 173739 2926 2008-08-22T19:32:51-04:00 <blockquote><cite>NateSlate said:</cite> <blockquote> the loves are just one designer letting another designer know that they think they are doing good work </blockquote> I wish this was the case, but it seems that alot of times this site is just a popularity contest with people giving loves based on the person not the design.</blockquote> I just throw loves at Jeff Finley's work because he's a cool dude. You develop friendships, like someone's style, and you give them a love because you dig what they do. Of course there is some bias but you can't be blaming others on things that are out of you're control. DO some sick designs that are original and you'll get noticed. 6661 Post 2008-08-22T19:50:07-04:00 173752 1219 2008-08-22T19:50:07-04:00 I wasn't taking a shot at anyone. Just an observation. 6661 Post 2008-08-22T19:58:54-04:00 173760 2926 2008-08-22T19:58:54-04:00 <img src="http://thegrandnarrative.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/beating-a-dead-horse.gif"> 6661 Post 2008-08-22T20:01:59-04:00 173764 173 2008-08-22T20:01:59-04:00 yeah, i'm not even a heavy hitter by any means, but this spec work is filling the pages with WAY to many terrible tee's. Maybe we need a section so this shit can be avoided? Something? Please?.... 6661 Post 2008-08-22T20:02:37-04:00 173765 1992 2008-08-22T20:02:37-04:00 <blockquote><cite>faithbydesign said:</cite> And, this is a legitimate t-shirt community and not deviant art.</blockquote> 6661 Post 2008-08-22T20:05:31-04:00 173769 1992 2008-08-22T20:05:31-04:00 <blockquote><cite>godsloadedsociety said:</cite> yeah, i'm not even a heavy hitter by any means, but this spec work is filling the pages with WAY to many terrible tee's. Maybe we need a section so this shit can be avoided? Something? Please?....</blockquote> so how do you decide whats shit and whats good? 6661 Post 2008-08-22T20:08:00-04:00 173771 1486 2008-08-22T20:08:00-04:00 <blockquote><cite>kyleisez said:</cite> I'm behind you 100%. This goes for victory too. Come on now Jason!</blockquote> if you dont like it dont respond, simple as that. its just the nature of the beast, no offense but if don't like it? go work at Burger King. I've played/play the game for years. I am upfront and honest about everything, you can always say "No, Thanks" after i respond to your email. This site is a great resource for hungry/new designers. I love going here first before I hunt for other designers. Its any ones game. Its all about who wants to step up to the plate and who wants to work. I am thankful for this website, and thankful that designers have this cool community to motivate them to become BETTER. PS i cant stop thinking about coles tail! did you know he is from a town called "NORMAL" 6661 Post 2008-08-22T20:08:55-04:00 173772 1465 2008-08-22T20:08:55-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Randomentity said:</cite> <img src="http://thegrandnarrative.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/beating-a-dead-horse.gif"></blockquote> <img src="http://www.jimiyo.com/beating2.gif" /> 6661 Post 2008-08-22T20:10:09-04:00 173775 2865 2008-08-22T20:10:09-04:00 i think too many people forget to ask themselves "would i buy/wear this?" but i'm my own worst critic 6661 Post 2008-08-22T20:10:46-04:00 173776 173 2008-08-22T20:10:46-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Randomentity said:</cite> i think too many people forget to ask themselves "would i buy/wear this?" but i'm my own worst critic</blockquote> Seriously! I've seen stuff on here lately for spec that could've looked better if I made it in MSPaint... with a mouse... on a windows 98... with 256MB ram... I could go on but I won't, hah. 6661 Post 2008-08-22T20:32:54-04:00 173811 7002 2008-08-22T20:32:54-04:00 <blockquote><cite>jimiyo said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Randomentity said:</cite> <img src="http://thegrandnarrative.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/beating-a-dead-horse.gif"></blockquote> <img src="http://www.jimiyo.com/beating2.gif" /></blockquote> ..... you went there did you make that?? 6661 Post 2008-08-22T20:35:55-04:00 173814 173 2008-08-22T20:36:06-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Randomentity said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>jimiyo said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Randomentity said:</cite> <img src="http://thegrandnarrative.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/beating-a-dead-horse.gif"></blockquote> <img src="http://www.jimiyo.com/beating2.gif" /></blockquote> ..... you went there did you make that??</blockquote> i edited the original. i also did this from a couple weeks ago. <img src="http://www.jimiyo.com/drty.gif" /> 6661 Post 2008-08-22T20:41:32-04:00 173816 2865 2008-08-22T20:41:32-04:00 hahaha i have no idea how to make gifs, i'm sure it's retardedly easy, i used to use fireworks to do it. 6661 Post 2008-08-22T20:42:50-04:00 173817 173 2008-08-22T20:42:50-04:00 <blockquote><cite>jimiyo said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Randomentity said:</cite> <img src="http://thegrandnarrative.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/beating-a-dead-horse.gif"></blockquote> <img src="http://www.jimiyo.com/beating2.gif" /></blockquote> I laughed a lot... a little tears in the eyes... 6661 Post 2008-08-22T20:48:01-04:00 173823 2328 2008-08-22T20:48:18-04:00 I agree. I'm sick of seeing these cattle calls lately. All it seems to do is flood the site with poor designs. I'm not saying that ALL the designs are crap, but a majority of them are pretty weak. 6661 Post 2008-08-22T21:19:27-04:00 173864 1661 2008-08-22T21:19:27-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Randomentity said:</cite> i think too many people forget to ask themselves "would i buy/wear this?" but i'm my own worst critic</blockquote> Gotta disagree slightly. I do a lot of stuff that is well received that I wouldn't personally wear. To me, it's about giving the client what they want while doing it as best as I can. 6661 Post 2008-08-22T21:22:45-04:00 173866 1661 2008-08-22T21:22:45-04:00 <blockquote><cite>justgeoff said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Randomentity said:</cite> i think too many people forget to ask themselves "would i buy/wear this?" but i'm my own worst critic</blockquote> Gotta disagree slightly. I do a lot of stuff that is well received that I wouldn't personally wear. To me, it's about giving the client what they want while doing it as best as I can.</blockquote> well i didn't mean it as a personal opinion, but as, if you were a consumer. i meant step away from it, and see it as someone else. 6661 Post 2008-08-22T21:29:38-04:00 173871 173 2008-08-22T21:29:38-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Randomentity said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>justgeoff said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Randomentity said:</cite> i think too many people forget to ask themselves "would i buy/wear this?" but i'm my own worst critic</blockquote> Gotta disagree slightly. I do a lot of stuff that is well received that I wouldn't personally wear. To me, it's about giving the client what they want while doing it as best as I can.</blockquote> well i didn't mean it as a personal opinion, but as, if you were a consumer. i meant step away from it, and see it as someone else.</blockquote> Gotcha! 6661 Post 2008-08-22T21:36:02-04:00 173875 1661 2008-08-22T21:36:02-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Randomentity said:</cite> <img src="http://thegrandnarrative.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/beating-a-dead-horse.gif"></blockquote> That looks like a llama. Just sayin'. 6661 Post 2008-08-22T21:45:36-04:00 173884 1027 2008-08-22T21:45:36-04:00