Hello designers, Im Bowski. Iv'e been designing shirts and other music related artwork for bands for the past 2 years. A client has referred me to this site, said I would enjoy it. I LOVE seeing everyone Ideas and interesting art styles, except - I'm not quite sure how this site works. Are we posting shits designed specifically for this site? Are we advertising current designs? How Do we display our shirts in the "Header" fashion, do we do this ourselves or does the site do it? I ask because they all look similar as if one person does it. I know I have a lot of questions, but I'm intrigued by this site - and would like to be a active member. Id love to get feedback from my designs and share critiques with others. Thanks! -Bowski 2009-07-27T09:38:55-04:00 44 2009-07-04T17:28:14-04:00 48791 false false 12325 38291 1 Newb Advice 2009-11-08T06:00:21-05:00 828 stay around a few days an you will understand how it works 48791 Post 2009-07-04T17:45:25-04:00 1464461 4552 2009-07-04T17:45:25-04:00 See what you did kyle, haha? 48791 Post 2009-07-04T17:48:51-04:00 1464511 3643 2009-07-04T17:48:51-04:00 Just post a shirt design or two! 48791 Post 2009-07-04T17:53:37-04:00 1464621 9208 2009-07-04T17:53:37-04:00 let me help just a lil bit... so, you go to tees. you can comment on them or press the LOVE button up-right. then, the most loved ones make it on the first page. it's no contest...more of a popularity of the design/er meter. So, post, read the FAQ/guides, use search, have fun, enjoy! 48791 Post 2009-07-04T17:57:13-04:00 1464641 3643 2009-07-04T17:57:13-04:00 Thanks guys! Ill be Posting shirts soon! 48791 Post 2009-07-04T18:01:38-04:00 1464651 38291 2009-07-04T18:01:38-04:00 uhhhhhh <img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v178/burlymugg/prices.jpg" /> also <img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v178/burlymugg/DMF.jpg" /> <img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v178/burlymugg/DMF.jpg" /> <img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v178/burlymugg/DMF.jpg" /> 48791 Post 2009-07-04T18:40:39-04:00 1464811 1106 2009-07-04T18:40:39-04:00 you forgot something <img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v178/burlymugg/DMF.jpg" /> 48791 Post 2009-07-04T18:50:42-04:00 1464851 2608 2009-07-04T18:50:42-04:00 ive come to love that bunny. 48791 Post 2009-07-04T18:52:29-04:00 1464881 8975 2009-07-04T18:52:29-04:00 is their a problem with my pricing? If no one has noticed, the economy sucks and everyone is broke. 48791 Post 2009-07-04T19:02:59-04:00 1464911 38291 2009-07-04T19:02:59-04:00 lol great here we go again 48791 Post 2009-07-04T19:27:50-04:00 1464971 8092 2009-07-04T19:27:50-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Bowski said:</cite> is their a problem with my pricing? </blockquote> yes and "there" 48791 Post 2009-07-04T19:31:36-04:00 1465001 67 2009-07-04T19:31:46-04:00 again? I'm going to have to play catch up - I'm seriously confused. - Yes, my pricing is lower, had to be lowered. Portfolio pieces, field work, and letters of recommendations are required for me to graduate. Yes - I may be getting the bone when it comes to payment for work, but the experience and relationships that I'm building is going to go a lot further than a few extra bucks in my pocket, for the moment. - allow me to ask - What SHOULD I be charging to avoid wishes of death ex. that damned bunny? 48791 Post 2009-07-04T19:32:53-04:00 1465011 38291 2009-07-04T19:32:53-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Bowski said:</cite> again? I'm going to have to play catch up - I'm seriously confused. - Yes, my pricing is lower, had to be lowered. Portfolio pieces, field work, and letters of recommendations are required for me to graduate. Yes - I may be getting the bone when it comes to payment for work, but the experience and relationships that I'm building is going to go a lot further than a few extra bucks in my pocket, for the moment. - allow me to ask - What SHOULD I be charging to avoid wishes of death ex. that damned bunny?</blockquote> There are all sorts of these threads on emptees - don't worry, you're definitely not the first. Don't undervalue yourself or your job! Design is just as much of a job as it is a talent. We are highly skilled workers and should be paid as such - think about how much YOU want to be making hourly, and multiply that by how much time YOU want to invest into each project. And you should know by now that the more time you invest into a project, the better it turns out. You'll also notice that as you up your rates, generally the number of clients you get will significantly decline - but the quality of your clients will significantly increase, as will your pay, as will the quality of your work, which ultimately looks better in your portfolio. Also keep the design market in mind when adjusting your prices! If there are a bunch of kids on Myspace charging $50 for a shirt design, every band in the world will come to expect shirt designs for $50. In order for most full-time freelance designers to make a living off of this, they would literally have to pump out a shirt every half-hour to an hour. Don't turn your career into a Myspace trend! 48791 Post 2009-07-04T20:00:29-04:00 1465121 9208 2009-07-04T20:05:12-04:00 As I said, a client referred me to this site, said It would be good for me. I appreciate all your advice, I dont undervalue myself. I have been doing art all my life, and for larger clients/jobs I usually charge withing budget. But I admit - their is still a lot I have to learn, and I'm glad I can come here and get some real advice. thanks guys - again - please be patient with me ^_^, imma get the hang of it. THX 48791 Post 2009-07-04T20:05:56-04:00 1465151 38291 2009-07-04T20:05:56-04:00 <blockquote><cite>treyinstereo said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Bowski said:</cite> again? I'm going to have to play catch up - I'm seriously confused. - Yes, my pricing is lower, had to be lowered. Portfolio pieces, field work, and letters of recommendations are required for me to graduate. Yes - I may be getting the bone when it comes to payment for work, but the experience and relationships that I'm building is going to go a lot further than a few extra bucks in my pocket, for the moment. - allow me to ask - What SHOULD I be charging to avoid wishes of death ex. that damned bunny?</blockquote> There are all sorts of these threads on emptees - don't worry, you're definitely not the first. Don't undervalue yourself or your job! Design is just as much of a job as it is a talent. We are highly skilled workers and should be paid as such - think about how much YOU want to be making hourly, and multiply that by how much time YOU want to invest into each project. And you should know by now that the more time you invest into a project, the better it turns out. You'll also notice that as you up your rates, generally the number of clients you get will significantly decline - but the quality of your clients will significantly increase, as will your pay, as will the quality of your work, which ultimately looks better in your portfolio. Also keep the design market in mind when adjusting your prices! If there are a bunch of kids on Myspace charging $50 for a shirt design, every band in the world will come to expect shirt designs for $50. In order for most full-time freelance designers to making a living from this, they would literally half to pump out a shirt every half-hour to an hour. Don't turn your career into a Myspace trend!</blockquote> He explains it really well Bowski. It's a vicious circle if you charge very little. In the long run you actually are doing yourself more harm than good by making clients think that those prices are common, and also by saying that is what your work is worth. The price is as much for your time as it is for your ability. It is much better for you to do one piece for $200 but it be awesome and look great in your portfolio than it is for you to do 4 $50 pieces. You naturally won't invest as much effort into the cheaper pieces (trust me, you just won't, the motivation will never be there), and they won't make your portfolio look any better. 48791 Post 2009-07-04T20:09:54-04:00 1465211 6884 2009-07-04T20:09:54-04:00 thanks matt! ^_^ I just posted my first shirt here, hope u like it. 48791 Post 2009-07-04T20:20:46-04:00 1465251 38291 2009-07-04T20:20:46-04:00 One tip i can give you, use some diferent t-shirt templates for your mock ups. Here's the American Apparel template: http://emptees.com/resources/27-american-apparel-t-shirt-template (it will go straight to the download window). I like the chalk lady. I'm not too keen on the leaves at the back though....don't know why. Maybe the colour of them, somehow for me it doesn't go with the lady. 48791 Post 2009-07-04T20:25:27-04:00 1465281 6884 2009-07-04T20:25:53-04:00 wow, thanks for that template. Yeah, I was suggested to go with "Fall colors" for the leaves. But I wanted to go with a much cooler feel, warm colors would contradict the feel I was going for. I appreciate your critique! 48791 Post 2009-07-04T20:34:44-04:00 1465331 38291 2009-07-04T20:34:44-04:00 <blockquote><cite>skull with hair said:</cite> uhhhhhh <img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v178/burlymugg/DMF.jpg" /> </blockquote> everytime I see this pic I imagine him with the voice of Mr Bill 48791 Post 2009-07-04T22:45:43-04:00 1465791 12224 2009-07-04T22:45:43-04:00 as long as you have that stupid price list up everyone here is going to hate you. how the fuck could you have a price list?! every single job is different and there is no way you could post a definitive price list without undercutting yourself and others 48791 Post 2009-07-05T01:50:07-04:00 1466841 1106 2009-07-05T01:50:07-04:00 hate me? interesting... well, I have certainly taken all the advice, and appreciate it. Kind of why I'm here - to further educate myself by communicating with my peers in the same trade, but to assume I will be hated.. well that's rather strong isn't it? I'm sure not everyone here is so quick to "hate" - especially since I'm here to collect critiques and learn the game better. I appreciate your time to let me know where im weaker, but to call me stupid and to wish for my death is a bit extreme - don't you think? Perhaps your downgrading behavioral patterns stem from how you were raised, but that is none of my business. I appreciate your advice, regardless of the aggressive tones, and I wish you the best brother. -namaste 48791 Post 2009-07-05T02:03:44-04:00 1466941 38291 2009-07-05T02:03:44-04:00 DOWNGRADING BEHAVIORAL PATTERNS. 5, 4, 3, 2... <img src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_vCqNV5lcY48/Sdwb8oPaTLI/AAAAAAAABIk/6mhTWh_pkWk/s400/Nerd.jpg+stalker+image+by+VTChristin.jpg"/> 48791 Post 2009-07-05T02:17:34-04:00 1466981 5738 2009-07-05T02:18:21-04:00 I had to do it. 48791 Post 2009-07-05T02:18:41-04:00 1466991 5738 2009-07-05T02:18:41-04:00 <a href="http://s88.photobucket.com/albums/k190/Calbowski/?action=view&current=l_b7aeaaf6effb2028ab5004a112ee2a4b.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k190/Calbowski/l_b7aeaaf6effb2028ab5004a112ee2a4b.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a> 48791 Post 2009-07-05T02:21:54-04:00 1467021 38291 2009-07-05T02:21:54-04:00 Using Shephard Fairey as an example is a big fail. Dude is a filthy tracer. "YOUR GRANDMOTHER'S A TRACER" - Chasing Amy 48791 Post 2009-07-05T02:24:25-04:00 1467031 5738 2009-07-05T02:24:25-04:00 hmm... point taken <a href="http://s88.photobucket.com/albums/k190/Calbowski/?action=view&current=coexist6hm.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k190/Calbowski/coexist6hm.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a> better?...no? 48791 Post 2009-07-05T02:27:15-04:00 1467041 38291 2009-07-05T02:27:15-04:00 "DOWNGRADING BEHAVIORAL PATTERN" was just too good a mental image to resist commenting. 48791 Post 2009-07-05T02:29:54-04:00 1467051 5738 2009-07-05T02:29:54-04:00 ^_^ 48791 Post 2009-07-05T02:41:57-04:00 1467071 38291 2009-07-05T02:41:57-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Ray Frenden said:</cite> Using Shephard Fairey as an example is a big fail. Dude is a filthy tracer. "YOUR GRANDMOTHER'S A TRACER" - Chasing Amy</blockquote> he does make some cool shit though haha 48791 Post 2009-07-05T03:28:34-04:00 1467221 785 2009-07-05T03:28:34-04:00 Now you see why i told you to spend a few days lurking this site? 48791 Post 2009-07-05T06:50:51-04:00 1467821 4552 2009-07-05T06:50:51-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Bowski said:</cite> is their a problem with my pricing? If no one has noticed, the economy sucks and everyone is broke.</blockquote> Well just a problem in general, not just the prices. You have no clue. 48791 Post 2009-07-05T06:58:29-04:00 1467851 2879 2009-07-05T06:58:29-04:00 Why do so many of you think that every artist will understand pricing and it's ramifications? It's not something that is automatically taught, even at colleges (ones over here don't). In this age, when more and more people are self-teaching, it's something that sometimes gets bypassed as they don't know there's anything wrong. I for one have been taught a HUGE amount about price structuring since joining here, because i knew nothing beforehand. Just being a douche to these people is a bit harsh surely? Can we not just educate them (like Bowski states his reasons for being here) and then let them make an educated decision? That decision will most likely be one that most of us approve of if we just took the time to explain, properly, why his prices are harmful to others. 48791 Post 2009-07-05T07:14:46-04:00 1467881 6884 2009-07-05T07:16:38-04:00 pricing and all that stuff should be made a resource by someone. just saying. also, Bowski, you'll learn. You also need croc skin around here, don't get easily offended..there's just some "picking on the new guy" going on, but it will prove useful in the long run. Not taking offense is important too when "working" with bad clients. PS> hit the search tab and write 50$...then read soe of the threads. eye-opening to say the least:) 48791 Post 2009-07-05T08:04:03-04:00 1468111 3643 2009-07-05T08:04:03-04:00 fuck if you charge prices like that and do shit like this <img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v178/burlymugg/prices.jpg" /> you should just fuck off 48791 Post 2009-07-05T08:20:13-04:00 1468171 13581 2009-07-05T08:20:13-04:00 See, a thousand eyes design, that's what i mean. You decide to tell him to "just fuck off" rather than say anything constructive. Why not just say nothing at all if you can't help? 48791 Post 2009-07-05T09:03:55-04:00 1468331 6884 2009-07-05T09:03:55-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Matt Willmott said:</cite> See, a thousand eyes design, that's what i mean. You decide to tell him to "just fuck off" rather than say anything constructive. Why not just say nothing at all if you can't help?</blockquote> it looks like he has put no effort in. He could of used the effects like on the 'prices' typo 48791 Post 2009-07-05T09:15:03-04:00 1468381 13581 2009-07-05T09:15:03-04:00 <blockquote><cite>a thousand eyes design said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Matt Willmott said:</cite> See, a thousand eyes design, that's what i mean. You decide to tell him to "just fuck off" rather than say anything constructive. Why not just say nothing at all if you can't help?</blockquote> it looks like he has put no effort in. He could of used the effects like on the 'prices' typo</blockquote> I definitely have to agree with that. 48791 Post 2009-07-05T10:16:48-04:00 1468801 6884 2009-07-05T10:16:48-04:00 WOAH, ok ok ok. I understand. My prices hurt EVERYONE. I GET IT. Its being taken care of. I came here to learn, and learn I did. Thank you Matt for understanding that Im trying to construct myself better, and for educating me without acting like a 14 year old first time in a chat room. I seriously appreciate it. As for everyone else, thank you for your critiques. I realize now im undercutting everyone - and that's something I don't wish to do. My web guy does all this stuff, and he will be changing that section of my page for me later this evening. 48791 Post 2009-07-05T14:07:53-04:00 1470681 38291 2009-07-05T14:07:53-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Fat Mouse said:</cite> Now you see why i told you to spend a few days lurking this site?</blockquote> Amen. 48791 Post 2009-07-05T14:39:08-04:00 1470731 24821 2009-07-05T14:39:08-04:00 <blockquote><cite>skull with hair said:</cite>how the fuck could you have a price list?! every single job is different and there is no way you could post a definitive price list without undercutting yourself and others</blockquote> WORD!!! 48791 Post 2009-07-05T14:40:45-04:00 1470751 4084 2009-07-05T14:40:45-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Bowski said:</cite> WOAH, ok ok ok. I understand. My prices hurt EVERYONE. I GET IT. Its being taken care of. I came here to learn, and learn I did. Thank you Matt for understanding that Im trying to construct myself better, and for educating me without acting like a 14 year old first time in a chat room. I seriously appreciate it. As for everyone else, thank you for your critiques. I realize now im undercutting everyone - and that's something I don't wish to do. My web guy does all this stuff, and he will be changing that section of my page for me later this evening.</blockquote> ahhh i rember when i first got every one going crazy for my pricing goooood times 48791 Post 2009-07-05T20:50:10-04:00 1473151 28121 2009-07-05T20:50:10-04:00 sick name. 48791 Post 2009-07-05T23:30:25-04:00 1474501 13245 2009-07-05T23:30:25-04:00 interesting thread. 48791 Post 2009-07-05T23:36:24-04:00 1474591 2870 2009-07-05T23:36:24-04:00 <blockquote><cite>nugget said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Bowski said:</cite> WOAH, ok ok ok. I understand. My prices hurt EVERYONE. I GET IT. Its being taken care of. I came here to learn, and learn I did. Thank you Matt for understanding that Im trying to construct myself better, and for educating me without acting like a 14 year old first time in a chat room. I seriously appreciate it. As for everyone else, thank you for your critiques. I realize now im undercutting everyone - and that's something I don't wish to do. My web guy does all this stuff, and he will be changing that section of my page for me later this evening.</blockquote> ahhh i rember when i first got every one going crazy for my pricing goooood times</blockquote> 48791 Post 2009-07-27T09:38:55-04:00 1763041 12325 2009-07-27T09:38:55-04:00