right ok so after all feedback ive been getting, my linework is not good enough, so im reachign for help now ive been drawing in flash and exporting it to photoshop to colour in, ive recently bought a graphics tablet and been tryin to draw with that, so how do u get varied linewidth and all that in illustrator? and do u colour in illustrator too, or advise colour in photoshop? cheers 2009-07-04T06:28:29-04:00 42 2009-07-03T18:42:57-04:00 true 0 48571 false false 14791 14151 1 2009-11-22T00:47:24-05:00 589 www.lynda.com... No no, i take that back. Upon rereading your questions, they don't really make much sense. Look into graphic design programs in your area. Design schools are going to teach you about the fundamentals of drawing as well as basics of design programs. 48571 Post 2009-07-03T18:45:10-04:00 1455761 1106 2009-07-03T18:50:28-04:00 cheers:) 48571 Post 2009-07-03T18:47:31-04:00 1455811 14151 2009-07-03T18:47:31-04:00 <blockquote><cite>skull with hair said:</cite> www.lynda.com</blockquote> You've lost your edge, dude. 48571 Post 2009-07-03T18:47:55-04:00 1455821 9179 2009-07-03T18:47:55-04:00 wot u mean by that man? 48571 Post 2009-07-03T18:50:12-04:00 1455881 14151 2009-07-03T18:50:12-04:00 urm....txt talk ? haha 48571 Post 2009-07-03T18:51:42-04:00 1455901 14151 2009-07-03T18:51:42-04:00 <blockquote><cite>JoeWSE said:</cite> wot u mean by that man?</blockquote> he used to have and edge, but it is now no longer in existence. 48571 Post 2009-07-03T18:51:53-04:00 1455911 13245 2009-07-03T18:51:53-04:00 ok ok fine! this site actually has tons of really easy to follow tutorials on pretty much everything you need to know <a href="http://www.disney.com/">www.RadTutorials.net</a> 48571 Post 2009-07-03T18:52:10-04:00 1455921 1106 2009-07-03T23:11:42-04:00 fml 48571 Post 2009-07-03T18:54:24-04:00 1455971 997 2009-07-03T18:54:24-04:00 cheers again appreciate it :) 48571 Post 2009-07-03T18:54:31-04:00 1455981 14151 2009-07-03T18:54:31-04:00 That is a strange reaction. 48571 Post 2009-07-03T18:57:59-04:00 1456021 997 2009-07-03T18:57:59-04:00 :| 48571 Post 2009-07-03T18:58:48-04:00 1456031 1498 2009-07-03T19:12:35-04:00 I fell for that one D: It was not pleasant 48571 Post 2009-07-03T19:03:47-04:00 1456101 28271 2009-07-03T19:03:47-04:00 what you people on with? 48571 Post 2009-07-03T19:11:15-04:00 1456201 14151 2009-07-03T19:11:15-04:00 This thread just became pure gold. 48571 Post 2009-07-03T19:16:29-04:00 1456241 7093 2009-07-03T19:17:11-04:00 <spoiler><img src="http://www.grabup.com/uploads/b3a10bfeb02f135e50eff23c46b9c8f7.png" /> For more In cs3 go to window/ adobe labs/knowhow everything you would ever want to know about illustrator, online tutorials right from inside illustrator, Hidden keys and more.</spoiler> 48571 Post 2009-07-03T20:07:08-04:00 1456791 506 2009-07-03T20:09:36-04:00 Step one, burn your copy of Adobe Illustrator. No. Not <em>burn</em> to CD. Light it aflame. Step two, get a real drawing program. 48571 Post 2009-07-03T20:09:12-04:00 1456821 5738 2009-07-03T20:09:12-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Ray Frenden said:</cite> Step one, burn your copy of Adobe Illustrator. No. Not <em>burn</em> to CD. Light it aflame. Step two, get a real drawing program.</blockquote> Curious to why you hate illustrator Ray? Lets hear it! 48571 Post 2009-07-03T20:11:59-04:00 1456851 4557 2009-07-03T20:11:59-04:00 It's akin to making lines with a Playdoh spaghetti extruder. You're better off scanning in something drawn with a ballpoint or sharpie marker. IT IS THE GREAT LINE STERILIZER. Strokes with character go in, lines that suck come out. 48571 Post 2009-07-03T20:14:41-04:00 1456861 5738 2009-07-03T20:14:41-04:00 Illustrator calculates ONLY pressure in your stroke. Axial rotation, stroke direction, pressure, dampening/speed, and cubic interpolation all suck compared to other app's brush algorithms. Photoshop, Manga Studio, OpenCanvas, Painter - all are better for linework. 48571 Post 2009-07-03T20:15:46-04:00 1456871 5738 2009-07-03T20:15:46-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Ray Frenden said:</cite> Illustrator calculates ONLY pressure in your stroke. Axial rotation, stroke direction, pressure, dampening/speed, and cubic interpolation all suck compared to other app's brush algorithms. Photoshop, Manga Studio, OpenCanvas, Painter - all are better for linework.</blockquote> AGREED. i tried inking with illustrator, and i did not like it that much. i think i will be doing trad. inking for a long time now. 48571 Post 2009-07-03T20:40:20-04:00 1457121 13245 2009-07-03T20:40:20-04:00 this isn't an issue of Adobe Illustrator's flaws, this is an issue of people not understanding what these programs are intended for or even how to properly use them. keep in mind half of these people do not even know how to operate a scanner. 48571 Post 2009-07-03T20:47:13-04:00 1457181 1106 2009-07-03T20:47:13-04:00 It IS an issue of Illustrator's shortcomings. It has far fewer brush customization and control options than other equivalent programs. 48571 Post 2009-07-03T20:48:17-04:00 1457191 5738 2009-07-03T20:48:17-04:00 <blockquote><cite>skull with hair said:</cite> this isn't an issue of Adobe Illustrator's flaws, this is an issue of people not understanding what these programs are intended for or even how to properly use them. keep in mind half of these people do not even know how to operate a scanner.</blockquote> touche swh! and frenden again you are correct. many argue that illustrator gives far more freedom. but you can't even make a line without it being corrected, and if you turn that settings off, your lines look like shit. at least that's what i have experienced. 48571 Post 2009-07-03T20:50:49-04:00 1457231 13245 2009-07-03T20:50:49-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Ray Frenden said:</cite> It IS an issue of Illustrator's shortcomings. It has far fewer brush customization and control options than other equivalent programs.</blockquote> pointing out illustrators brush flaws is akin to pointing out the html shortcomings of Microsoft Word. Although it has limited capabilities to "brush" things, that is not what it was made for, just a cheap add on. i use illustrator everyday, as well as photoshop, flash, indesign, manga, ect... but i have NEVER used the brush/pencil in illustrator even once. 48571 Post 2009-07-03T20:51:54-04:00 1457241 1106 2009-07-03T20:51:54-04:00 <blockquote><cite>inkemplete said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>skull with hair said:</cite> this isn't an issue of Adobe Illustrator's flaws, this is an issue of people not understanding what these programs are intended for or even how to properly use them. keep in mind half of these people do not even know how to operate a scanner.</blockquote> touche swh! and frenden again you are correct. many argue that illustrator gives far more freedom. but you can't even make a line without it being corrected, and if you turn that settings off, your lines look like shit. at least that's what i have experienced.</blockquote> yeah and i don't brush my teeth with a broom either.. 48571 Post 2009-07-03T20:54:24-04:00 1457271 1106 2009-07-03T20:54:24-04:00 Yeah so true, I never use the brush or pencil tool in Illustrator either. 48571 Post 2009-07-03T20:54:40-04:00 1457281 3005 2009-07-03T20:54:40-04:00 <blockquote><cite>skull with hair said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Ray Frenden said:</cite> It IS an issue of Illustrator's shortcomings. It has far fewer brush customization and control options than other equivalent programs.</blockquote> pointing out illustrators brush flaws is akin to pointing out the html shortcomings of Microsoft Word. Although it has limited capabilities to "brush" things, that is not what it was made for, just a cheap add on. i use illustrator everyday, as well as photoshop, flash, indesign, manga, ect... but i have NEVER used the brush/pencil in illustrator even once.</blockquote> If a program named after the career of ILLUSTRATION can't draw a proper fucking line, I consider that a major failure, lol. 48571 Post 2009-07-03T21:06:03-04:00 1457321 5738 2009-07-03T21:06:03-04:00 Haha, you make a good point there. 48571 Post 2009-07-03T21:10:32-04:00 1457361 3005 2009-07-03T21:10:32-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Ray Frenden said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>skull with hair said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Ray Frenden said:</cite> It IS an issue of Illustrator's shortcomings. It has far fewer brush customization and control options than other equivalent programs.</blockquote> pointing out illustrators brush flaws is akin to pointing out the html shortcomings of Microsoft Word. Although it has limited capabilities to "brush" things, that is not what it was made for, just a cheap add on. i use illustrator everyday, as well as photoshop, flash, indesign, manga, ect... but i have NEVER used the brush/pencil in illustrator even once.</blockquote> If a program named after the career of ILLUSTRATION can't draw a proper fucking line, I consider that a major failure, lol.</blockquote> hah, ill give you that, it would be more aptly named Adobe Vecto-Tron or Logostrator 48571 Post 2009-07-03T21:23:41-04:00 1457441 1106 2009-07-03T21:24:01-04:00 Agreed. I have a background in print design, used to be an art director for five years. It's a handy program, but not for what we do here 90% of the time. 48571 Post 2009-07-03T21:33:41-04:00 1457531 5738 2009-07-03T21:33:41-04:00 Why did anyone think it was a good idea to draw by moving tiny ass dots around, and pulling handles... I guess it's not the tools it's how you use them, I hate to say it but there is no substitute for talent. Drawing is either easy or it's not for you, if it's not Better hit the book's and start practicing, it's going to be a bumpy ride. 48571 Post 2009-07-03T21:34:44-04:00 1457551 506 2009-07-03T21:34:44-04:00 <blockquote><cite>skull with hair said:</cite> this isn't an issue of Adobe Illustrator's flaws, this is an issue of people not understanding what these programs are intended for or even how to properly use them. keep in mind half of these people do not even know how to operate a scanner.</blockquote> Which is sad because the majority of scanners have a big button that says "scan" on it... 48571 Post 2009-07-03T21:48:33-04:00 1457701 13026 2009-07-03T21:48:33-04:00 Im so down to use Adobe Logostrator. 48571 Post 2009-07-03T21:57:07-04:00 1457791 8810 2009-07-03T21:57:07-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Johnny D said:</cite> Im so down to use Adobe Logostrator.</blockquote> i thought you said Legostrator, i want that more 48571 Post 2009-07-03T22:15:23-04:00 1457881 1106 2009-07-03T22:15:23-04:00 DO WANT. 48571 Post 2009-07-03T22:19:30-04:00 1457961 5738 2009-07-03T22:19:30-04:00 Man if Adobe made a lego program... Wow. 48571 Post 2009-07-03T22:24:46-04:00 1458031 8810 2009-07-03T22:24:46-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Johnny D said:</cite> Man if Adobe made a lego program... Wow.</blockquote> It would cost close to a $1000, not be 64-bit, have a shit-ton of memory leaks, and be loaded with fancy-post-Star-Wars-legos pieces but missing the most basic blocks? 48571 Post 2009-07-03T22:38:12-04:00 1458231 5738 2009-07-03T22:38:12-04:00 I used to love playing the PC Lego game that actually did get released back in the day. 48571 Post 2009-07-03T22:44:20-04:00 1458301 3005 2009-07-03T22:44:20-04:00 Stunt Island or somesuch? 48571 Post 2009-07-03T22:51:03-04:00 1458361 5738 2009-07-03T22:51:03-04:00 I think it was called Lego Creator or something.. EDiT..yes http://www.lego.com/eng/interactive/product.asp?Title=Creator&Code=PC 48571 Post 2009-07-03T22:53:14-04:00 1458381 3005 2009-07-03T22:54:56-04:00 i love how from illustrator the conversation has gone onto lego lol, brilliant :D 48571 Post 2009-07-04T06:20:20-04:00 1460691 14151 2009-07-04T06:20:20-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Ray Frenden said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Johnny D said:</cite> Man if Adobe made a lego program... Wow.</blockquote> It would cost close to a $1000, not be 64-bit, have a shit-ton of memory leaks, and be loaded with fancy-post-Star-Wars-legos pieces but missing the most basic blocks?</blockquote> They need that, a game with all the peices so you can just make anything lego on the computer just cause you're bored. I play lego Batman and Starwars on DS now, its the best 48571 Post 2009-07-04T06:28:29-04:00 1460721 14791 2009-07-04T06:28:29-04:00