I’m guilty of being really into the election this term, and I am bringing it to this tee shirt website.
All apologies.
Actually - no apologies. Are you guys noticing the huge change that is going on right now?
Me and Pasqualina have joked around in the past about how a few generations need to die off before any black man or a woman (*Edit: Except Oprah - she could be president anytime) will ever be president. But here we are - we are seeing a very real possibility of this happening right now.
Does that amaze anyone else?
We’ve never experienced anything like this. It reminds me of when our parents were little kids - some of our parents weren’t even born. There hasn’t been a major shift in the mindset of this country since the late 1960s early 70s. We may not live long enough to see another major event like this. So pay attention!
Think about how awesome it is. Last year, Hillary Clinton was presumably the nominee for the Democrats. And that was groundbreaking - a woman who has the potential to be the next president. Out of nowhere - BOOM. Barack steps in and (basically) becomes the nominee.
How fucking awesome is that? How much progress are we living through right now and taking for granted?
In thirty years people are going to say, "I wish I could have lived back then."
There will be people jealous of what we are living through right now. This is a huge turning point for our country.
Barack has, in a year’s time, ousted the front runner in the race for the Democratic nomination. He’s also beating McCain in polls across the board.
This man has only been campaigning for about a year - and Hillary and McCain have been talking about the Presidency for years. It’s absolutely outstanding.
Obama has done this without the standard shitty bamboozling that has gone on with almost every major campaign ever.
I might be speaking too soon. He might have some dirty tricks up his sleeve for the general election. But I would be really surprised if he did.
To date he hasn’t run a smear campaign. He hasn’t really gone negative about any of the candidates. Shit, even when Hillary said, "Bobby Kennedy was shot in June" -- Obama said that her statement had no ill will.
Bobby Kennedy was notoriously pro-black. He was murdered when his nomination was expected to lead him to the presidency. Obama let that shit slide. SLIDE!
I apologize for rambling. I am genuinely excited about the change that is already happening in our country - and the future that change could bring.
P.S. If my political posts annoy everyone, I will stop posting 'em.
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Sol Amstutz said 6 months ago
you are awesome jimmy.
i’m actually really excited about the whole thing. our generation is so fortunate to see all these crazy things that have and are happening. its so wierd to tell my little sister that "when i was your age" cell phones, texting and even the internet wasn’t even invented yet. wild.
Time Without the E said 6 months ago
i dont think anyone wants to have lived during this time. having a black man as prez might be the only good thing going on for the next 4 years in america
godmachine said 6 months ago
I was talking to my dad about this the other night- I was saying how exciting it is that america may get to be great again if barak gets in.
my dad said there is no way on earth that america will let a black man be president.
and its not like votes count over there- or policies ...i have my fingers crossed though guys.
(hilary is turning out to be a pain)
Matt Rupp said 6 months ago
It doesn’t really mean a thing to me what race he is.
As long as he does a great job, then you won’t hear my complaining.
edword said 6 months ago
Yeah man I’ve never been so excited about politics!! I’m not sure it will happen. I hope it happens, but I’m still worried about bout old people and racist and bitter Hillary backer.
I remember when he did the speech at the dem conference and he blew everyone away. I was thinking man I wish it was Edwards /Obama instead of Kerry /Edwards. I knew then he would do some big thing but to be this close to the nominee is crazy. What he’s done in a year’s time is amazing and I think he’ll really pour it on in the general election.
Fingers crossed...
skull with hair said 6 months ago
i agree with you completely jimmy. yes it is pretty crazy that the democratic nominee will most likely be a black man because if you asked me just 1 year ago "when do you think america will see its first black president?" i would have said like in like 20 years maybe.
oddly enough, i have come to realize that there is one person more responsible for americas willingness to accept a black president than anyone else...george bush. if he had actually been a good president, or at least a mediocre one, millions of americans would have just stayed content and voted the same way they always have. he was so bad, that he actually made otherwise thoughtless voters open their minds to something different. weird.
Time Without the E said 6 months ago
could you imagine if bush was black or other race besides white how much he would be getting even more ripped on for doing such a horrible job.
So i was watching an interview with Bush about a month ago and a lady asked how has the gas prices nearly reaching 4 dollars a gallon affected Americans? And Bush gives this dumbfounded look and replies "Gas is almost 4 dollars a gallon? hmm"
like wtf!
how does the leader of the best country in the world not even know gas prices?
ass dumb if you ask me!
Sol Amstutz said 6 months ago
considering Dick Cheney pretty much tells George Bush what he believes and what his policies are, its no surprise that he doesn’t know what gas prices are right now.
heroes said 6 months ago
in england petrol is £1.10 a litre
which works out at $10.00 a gallon so i dont see how they can moan
also i dont understand the idea of super deligates? can anyone explain this
jimmyheartcore said 6 months ago
Yes, despite having horrible gas prices here, they are still much much higher everywhere else.
I was in Canada on Warped Tour last summer - myself, Jeremy (mine and Caleb’s roomie), and Shawn from the Matches took a walk down to the gas station to get some drinks.
We looked at the gas prices, and our jaws dropped. They were like $1.10 Canadian.
I video taped it and everything.
I went inside and asked why the gas prices were so cheap, and the lady looked at me dumbfounded.
Warning, may contain spoilers!The prices were in liters. I felt like a retard.
MadeByMAS said 6 months ago
I just did the math for how much I have spent on gas since I have had my new car (2 years) and its right at 6 grand. That is pretty much equal to what I have paid for the car.
MykeCatastrophic said 6 months ago
But don’t you get free health care/socialized medicine over there?
Wouldn’t that even the cost of living out a bit?
heroes said 6 months ago
it isnt free it comes out of our wages its just not privatised we still have to pay for dentists and some medicine so dont think its free its just a better system
Hands On Clothing said 6 months ago
For those who havent already read it...
"BOSTON — This could make for one odd family reunion: Barack Obama is a distant cousin of actor Brad Pitt, and Hillary Rodham Clinton is related to Pitt’s girlfriend, Angelina Jolie.
Researchers at the New England Historic Genealogical Society found some remarkable family connections for the three presidential candidates _ Democratic rivals Obama and Clinton, and Republican John McCain."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/25/barack-obama-and-brad-pit_n_93356.html
epic, just epic.
Joe said 6 months ago
This all reminds me of two things:
1) Michelle Obama’s statement that she hadn’t been proud of the U.S. until her husband’s campaign was embraced by the nation, and all the flak she’s taken for it.
and 2) the first part of this: http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=168561&title=indecision-2008-west-virginia
Mickymays said 6 months ago
I’m just worried about the whole super delegate bullshit. I dont want some backroom blowjobs to decide the election.
godmachine said 6 months ago
In wales- all medicine and health care is free- so is a university degree.
Batman and hannible lecture are from wales.
When Rome invaded britain they sent the 17th battalion into wales ( Romes biggest battalion)...only for them to disappear and never be seen again. They tried again and again- but its just didnt work out for them- we have very few roman remains compared to the rest of the UK. no one knows why- but it has been suggested that it was because of our abundance and constant use of magic mushrooms. Whish still grow in vast numbers and wild today.
i digress...turn on Fox radio- bill o’riley is shitting himself that he will have to call a black man 'sir'- its hilarious!!!
I want B to win...I just know they are gonna pull something out of the bag.....and take it from him
quakerninja said 6 months ago
Anyone watching this delegate debacle, I can’t believe that these guys are going to pick my president with some loophole bullshit. In Saipan the votes are not counted even thou it is a US Commonwealth, and locals born there are givein US passports and use the US dollar. That is what happened last time I wanted to vote. Please excuse my all caps.
FUCK THE RULES COMMITTEE
Time Without the E said 6 months ago
i agree. i think that we should elect the prez on popular vote only.
no deligates bull shit
jaynajaynajayna said 6 months ago
yeah but where are all the sweet protest songs that aren’t like, by Green Day.
Also I thought people were naked a lot more 40 years ago, weren’t they? Is that how it was? Maybe.
Mickymays said 6 months ago
that’s how it should be
that’s how it should be
jaynajaynajayna said 6 months ago
I just watched this crazy ass thing on the national geographic channel about polar bears disassembling seismic testing equipment because they hate the man made shockwaves and sounds they admit. Do you feel this way MickeyMays?
Some people may think I am attempting to hijack this thread to talk about polar bears and shockwaves, but maybe it is just a metaphor.
Mickymays said 6 months ago
they actually take the parts home to make radios to listen to Green Day protest songs. it’s a sight to behold
Matt Rupp said 6 months ago
I think that the government in general is corrupt.
Its a huge mess.
The government and law enforcement exists mainly to keep humans organized and in line, but who do you think is running the gov’t?
HUMANS!
I’m moving to Iceland. End of story!
Joe said 6 months ago
Maybe that’s just it: protesting used to be really countercultural. Now 'protesting' (i.e. complaining, but not doing anything like real protesting, about the government) is as mainstream as it could be.
RikkiB said 6 months ago
What I find really scary is that this is a forum for creative individuals, and I’m still reading comments that support Bush/the Right.
If young creative people are on the conservative side, I can’t help but feel that there’s not much hope for change in the world.
godmachine said 6 months ago
I dont know how anyone can be conservative in the USA - its just this violent sick racist gang...errrchh...im not a lefty- but im damn those conservatives are just fucking insane.
p.s. barak is not gonna get in- they wont let him- no way.
RikkiB said 6 months ago
I’m so full of hope that he can, but I’m afraid that the people to stand in the way wont be those in power, it’ll be the voters.
jaynajaynajayna said 6 months ago
Everyone over here seems to think it’s gonna be Barak. Either way we are much more well off than we were. It’s just so bizarre to watch the news when they talk about Hilary’s "blue collar" supporters, and then cut to a woman in a wife beater with those 80s bangs that stick straight up saying, "well, ah just daon’t feel comfor-table votin' for obama seein' as he is well, ya know, difrent."
I am just fearing for the dude’s life even if he doesn’t get elected, but like, if he does... they seem to shoot a lot of the good 'uns in this country
heroes said 6 months ago
america just seems such a big country that who ever comes to power half of the country will not want them in power
i always thought ever since i did history in college it would of made much more sense for the north and south to divide into separate countries (just an observation from college im sure theres many good reasons not too)
Robmcbride said 6 months ago
Whether or not America has a Black President, or a Female President. It’s going to make no difference.
The only thing that it will create is some form of bragging rights for Black people or Females. I’m not being racist or sexist here, but that’s all it’s going to amount to.
To be honest, i perceive all this hype over either a Black or Female President to be pretty patronising. It’s just pointing out in massive letters that these two candidates are different from everyone else, which is exactly what they/we have been fighting to stop for so many years.
And just as a side note, i personally believe that government is run by other people, higher people. It’s all fixed and will continue to be fixed for the rest of our lives.
Watch Zeitgeist and learn.
LuckyStripes said 6 months ago
Tonight should be the night! I just want McCain and Obama to choose their VP’s already!
Robmcbride said 6 months ago
Oh what, so people going on about how far we’ve come from enslaving blacks is going to be huge? We’ve been doing that for the last 30 years.
All it’s doing is creating pointless hype. Obama is still just a person and will still make the same conversative decisions that you would expect from any president, black or white, male or female.
It’s not as if he’s some super president 'cause he’s Black.
heroes said 6 months ago
england has had women in power for centuries QUEENS! obviously not todays queen but 17th century we were ruled by many women
were soo cool
Robmcbride said 6 months ago
We win at being respectful of women.
hideouscarwreck said 6 months ago
if obama doesn’t win then i might as well just leave the country.
RikkiB said 6 months ago
I think I remember saying that about our elections here...
If John Howard stays in power we may as well all move to New Zealand. Thank gods the little fucker lost ;)
derekdeal said 6 months ago
it is huge, for you to negate that is retarted. Do you have any knowledge of the civil rights movement in America? Slavery may have ended 140 years ago, but social injustices have sustained ever since. We’re only one generation beyond seperate bathrooms and water fountains. Things may be cheerio across the pond, but for there to be a black prez in the states is undoubtably an achievement.
Also banking governmental reform on race is just dumb. If it were that simple, jessie jackson or al sharpton would have been the nominee years ago, but those guys were jokes. Barrack’s leading because of his ability to motivate people with the hope of change and prosperity instead of all the fear mongering thats been going on the last half a millenium. You took a positive thing that jimmy was trying to touch on and completely broke it down into your own black and white pessimistic point of view, and i think its lame.
Robmcbride said 6 months ago
Yet you’re completely ignoring my initial point!
What I was getting at is that the only thing that it’s going to come to is a standing point for you Americans to rant on how big on equality you are.
Obama won/will win the election because he is a justified candidate and because he has the capability to run a country. Not because he’s black. I am for Obama because he appears to be the correct .choice through his opinion and ability to make the right choices.
If the world was so for equality and fully believed a Black man can do the same job as a White man, then why should it such a novelty that he IS black?
Yea, this is far stretch from 70 years ago when Blacks had to go to completely separate schools but it’s not exactly leaps and bounds. So we as people have become less ignorant.. woopdee doo
a killer wombat said 6 months ago
The reason its an issue because as much as we say that a black man or a woman can do the same thing as a white man its still a vast majority of people are not to that point as individuals.... a great deal of people but to save face everyone rolls with the idea "yay equality" even though we are very far from it.
So as much as we would like to say its no big deal that a black man has a chance to be president it is very much a big deal... even though it shouldn’t be an issue that he’s black.
cause the best way to unite is to divide and make differences even more apparent... that and that 646,392 casualties thing.
Time Without the E said 6 months ago
yeah and the North people can wear blue!
and the south people can wear GREY!
jimmyheartcore said 6 months ago
This is why.
godmachine said 6 months ago
scary people.
Aniast said 6 months ago
Don’t know if this got answered or you figured it out, but super delegates were created by the democratic party after the public voted for what they considered an un-electable candidate. The party appointed people within the party to get a 1 delegate vote to add to the totals to prevent this from happening again.
Since the Michigan and Florida delegates got seeded, there is no way Obama can lose without the democratic party imploding at this point. Will Hillary be the running mate? I don’t think so, but someone from her camp probably will be.
I, like Jimmy and others, have been excited about Obama for a long time and am in complete agreement that his campaign was a breath of fresh area that American politics needed.
I really dislike Hillary, but I don’t need to go on a 2 page diatribe about that, I’ll just leave it with why my Dad said she wouldn’t get his vote, "I can’t vote for a feminist that goes by Mrs. William Clinton."
Also, McCain’s running mate (who ever it will be, just not Romney...) scares me a lot, that guy is pretty old.
Oliver said 6 months ago
i thought this topic was going to be about puberty.
milkmedia said 6 months ago
i like how everyone assumes that he’s muslim. they complain about not knowing anything about him and then dont make an effort to do any research.
LaurieShipley said 6 months ago
Holy shit I love Jon Stewart!!!
Stating the obvious...the ignorant fucks in the video are clearly morons, it’s scary they actually represent a significant portion of voters. Even scarier is the that there are governmental officials that have been in office for ever who also share this oblivious backward mentality. Thats one example of why Obama as president would signal a huge step forward in this country. An opportunity for the misinformed to learn some kind of common tolerance and open their eyes if not for anything else.
derrrrrrrr
EmptyBreath said 6 months ago
I couldn’t agree more with the initial post. I feel like we’re living in a special time. Granted, we are being raped on gas prices (I now drive a bicycle on a daily basis), and the perpetual sodomizing shows no signs of waning, but there is hope for the future I think. This could very well be the most significant time period of our generation. We could look back as elders and discuss this very year as the turning point for this country. Then again, it may continue to turn into just another political battle that gets so ugly and petty that we get disgusted and can’t watch anymore. I hope Barack continues to keep his head above water, lets the subtle attacks roll off his back, and pushes on to try and change this country. He has my vote, regardless of the next five months of campaigning and sloganeering. I think he’s our only chance. I’m not saying we’ll be headed straight to hell without him, but we’ll certainly be well on our way. I hope that one day I’ll be able to say to my kids, or my neighbors' kids staring awkwardly at me from across the street, wondering why I’m drinking a white russian in a bathing suit at 10am, "Hey- i remember where I was when Obama got elected. Man that was an important time. He changed it all- the war, the economy, the media...all of it, kids! Goddamn, I love this country!" Wishful thinking? Decide for yourself. I also hope that his two-term presidency will be followed by eight years of Stewart/Colbert. Who’s with me?
heroes said 6 months ago
"Granted, we are being raped on gas prices"
without bush and his "war on terror" i believe they would be higher for americans
justinryan said 6 months ago
Actually, the war has played a large role in rising the cost of oil. Definitely not the sole factor but the other major problem is the dropping value of the dollar, which coincidently could also be blamed on the war costing 200 bil of borrowed money a year. Not trying to start anything, just sayin.
explodingtoes said 6 months ago
everyone becomes an expert during discussions like this
sockmonkee said 6 months ago
hehe...
Aniast said 6 months ago
My roommate thinks he’s an expert. He has political spread sheets on his computer.
justinryan said 6 months ago
Haha I agree that when it comes to politics, or pretty much anything else, everyone does think they are experts. But you can’t really argue with facts.
jimmyheartcore said 6 months ago
I’m super excited - he has the nomination officially now.
Hillary said she would accept if asked to be his Vice Presidential running mate.
LaurieShipley said 6 months ago
Oh god, she’s so annoying...he better find someone else.
derekdeal said 6 months ago
so she can assassinate him and take the presidency
MykeCatastrophic said 6 months ago
I just saw that on the news. I don’t even know how this is all going to pan out now. I want to see who Obama chooses to be his running mate.
skull with hair said 6 months ago
i’d like to see it be edwards, but i think he has a better chance with hillary, it wouldn’t be terrible, but i’d like to see what he and edwards could do.
edword said 6 months ago
I agree that’s the ticket I wanted too, but hillary pulled in a fuck lot of votes and now that she’s said she wants it she’s kind of forcing his hand. The back lash from the hillary backers would be huge if he doesn’t take her now.
andrE w. said 6 months ago
i think hed do good with edwards. i think biden kicks ass too
gabroll said 6 months ago
Im bummed Ron Paul wont be president, but am excited for Obama.
PS- SkullWithHair. I hope you don’t hate me for something trite. I don’t hate you man!
LuckyStripes said 6 months ago
12 more delegates to go for Obama. The first time in a long time I have been watching CNN like it was a movie.
MykeCatastrophic said 6 months ago
Haha I know what you mean.
a.j.mohacsy said 6 months ago
just don’t shoot him if he wins...
ok!
a.j.mohacsy said 6 months ago
besides jimmy smitts has already been the first latino president:P
skull with hair said 6 months ago
nah man, i just had to make my point. i definitely don’t hate. we’re cool.
LuckyStripes said 6 months ago
Wow. McCain’s speech was TERRIBLE. He had like 30 people in a room the size of my bathroom. He couldn’t read the teleprompter haha..
And I say that as a Republican, I think this is going to be a landslide in favor of Obama.
matthew.harrison.smith said 6 months ago
politics is great on this forum. and the Jimmy articulates himself well. i have lived in UT and ID most recently which have highly "conservative" viewpoint. the most encouragin thing i want to see from all people is great participation.
in general i think that dividing nearly anything into two camps is a fallacy and quite dangerous. im excited about Obama because he is delivering a message that resonates with me and i have Faith that his has run strong campaign thus far and I see him and the best choice we have.
will all our probably be solved after this election. no. things are going to get worse in many ways but some of the coming "trials" will have positive outcomes.
btw. i hate driving and think gas is not overpriced. not at all. and one way to get back something. invest in oil companies. or banks or something. but i would love a tangent to rail on banks....
fin
EmptyBreath said 6 months ago
first of all, i’d just like to state that i’m no expert, and i never will claim to be. in fact, i’m far from it.
another thing to throw out there; what do you all think will hurt Obama more, now that he’s secured his place on the ballot- choosing hilary as a running mate, or not choosing hilary as a running mate?
i’m compelled to think that not choosing hilary as a running mate would be a more dangerous move for him, even though, in my personal opinion, i’d rather see him choose someone like edwards. i’m afraid he may lose too many votes to the right if he doesn’t choose her.
with that said, i agree with matthew that dividing anything into two strict camps is a skewed, out of date dogmatic principle. i wish it were just about who has the best game plan, and who is the least full of shit (because let’s face it, they’re all full of a little bit of shit). i’m fairly certain the day will never come when it’s no longer red versus blue, right versus left, but it would be nice.
until then, like i said before, i think obama is our best chance. and i’m officially withdrawing from the gas price debate. i’m just gonna keep on paying 25 cents to put air in my tires and hope i don’t have to get anywhere i can’t get on a train...oh shit, i’m going to bonnaroo.
Robmcbride said 6 months ago
Bingo.
The value of the dollar drops and thus the banks need to print more money. Each dollar owned creates a percentage of money 'x' to which is indebted to the Bank Of America. I.e the MAIN bank.
Higher oil prices are a benefit to the owners of the Bank Of America as is the war. It means bank branches need to print more money and are indebted to The Bank Of America..
Basically, this is all valid because these people actually rule the government. Not the president.
WATCH ZEITGEIST AND SEE WHAT I MEAN!
EmptyBreath said 6 months ago
zeitgeist is great.
edword said 5 months ago
John Edwards has ruled out being Barack Obama’s running mate on the Democratic presidential ticket, according to interviews carried by two leading Spanish newspapers on Friday.
"I already had the privilege of running for vice president in 2004, and I won’t do it again," Edwards was quoted by El Mundo as saying. El Pais, the country’s other leading daily, carried similar comments.
cajun metal said 5 months ago
I’m a Ron Paul supporter even if Jimmy has told me to 'give it up'. You’ve got to support your principles and there are lots and lots of people supporting Obama because he represents theirs in a way that hasn’t been this intense since Bobby Kennedy so in that regard I totally agree with Jimmy.
It just seems like everyone’s high on the 'fresh air' Obama is bringing to politics and I believe that its more of the same, just packaged differently.
If nothing else this particular era seems to be a good first step. If people can accept the possibility of a Black or Female President as a reality then maybe someday soon the thought of staying out of other countries', smaller government and getting rid of the Federal Reserve System will be acceptable possiblities.
Just think about Mayor Goldie Wilson. They called him crazy too.
explodingtoes said 5 months ago
are you aware that banks don’t print money? The US Bureau of Engraving and Printing prints it, which is party of the US Treasury...
...and you’re speaking about Bank of America as if it is a federal institution...like THE bank of country...which it isn’t...so really...what the hell are you talking about?
edword said 5 months ago
I feel for ron paul. He has a lot of good ideas. I watched a couple rep. debates and I got the feeling the other rep. candidates thought he was a joke and really didn’t show him much respect.
cajun metal said 5 months ago
Semantics. The Bureau of Engraving and Printing may do the physical printing but it is the Federal Reserve which is responsible for it being printed. The Federal Reserve System is a system of private banks, 12 of them throughout the country (Bank of America being one of them I believe), that is in partnership with government and not actually a part of it. The us government is funded on a system of credit. The government borrows money from the Fed (money with no gold or silver to back it up) and pays an interest which is what your Income Tax, and only what your Income Tax, pays for. The Federal Reserve System and the IRS were enacted at the same time. What Rob is trying to explain is that The Fed prints money for the government when they want it and since there is actually nothing to back it up the more we print the less value it actually has.
jimmyheartcore said 5 months ago
Way to hijack.
This thread isn’t about a fucking bank, or Ron (Not going to be president this term) Paul.
Keep with the subject matter.
Let me help you out if you’re missing it:
Our country is super racist and sexist. A black man or woman might be president. (Black man has a slightly better chance, now.) Which is amazing for our generation to be living through.
If you’re going to debate the federal reserve, or talk about how cool Ron Paul is, start your own thread.
Douches. C’mon.
cajun metal said 5 months ago
Jimmy you need to simmer down. There are just as many posts on this thread not about OBAMA as there are about the FED such as polar bears, gasoline, and the fucking ROMANS which aren’t on your list or did i just 'miss it'? Just because it doesn’t end with 'oh yeah I’d totally do Obama' doesn’t mean anything is highjacked.
On top of that I was supporting your romantic notion of this great era of change in my original post which I’ll rethink next time. Talk of politics is bound to turn into talk of pros and cons and you can’t write off contrary opinions just because they’re contrary. The same people that are behind Ron Paul are part of the generation participating in this massive movement of change in this era that you’re so amazed about so chill out.
mitchbones said 5 months ago
Biggest thing Obama has done to piss me off is his support to AIPAC and his pro-isreal speech. I hate Israel.
Also, when starting a topic about politics be prepared for it to branch off into other political discussions. Actually, predict every topic to go off in really random tangents.
As far as picking his vice. Gravel,Kuicinich,Dodd.
jimmyheartcore said 5 months ago
I am going to fist fight you.
cajun metal said 5 months ago
Yeah you really weren’t writing anybody off and nobody was really posting contrary opinions. I take that sentence back
mitchbones said 5 months ago
Am I the only person that doesn’t care about sex/race? I don’t mean to sound really artificial but I forget he is black sometimes. It doesn’t register. Though in south texas everyone just judges by appearances, I’m a black sheep (pun intended).
Also, http://www.barackobama.com/issues/technology/
cajun metal said 5 months ago
I was just thinking about how Obama isn’t the first black man to run for president though he’s the first to have the nomination which to me says that there’s a fundimental change in people’s thinking in order for that to be possible. I’m just not sure if those people are actually an enlightened America or powerful people who realize that the game is changing and they better roll with it. For my part Obama seems to be running a different race than say Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson.
Victoria Woodhull was the first woman to run but she didn’t make it either but I don’t think Hilary lost the nomination for the same reason Woodhull didn’t win because of the time in history she lived in.
quakerninja said 5 months ago
way to piss of your jew friends Mitch. I don’t hate you but I "circle 6" strongly disagree.
mitchbones said 5 months ago
I "circle 1" for fucking love Quakerninja. I can’t say I hate Israel without people thinking im anti-semetic 95% of the time.
jimmyheartcore said 5 months ago
Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are way different people than Barack too. You have to think about what they’re based in, and what they stand for. Barack is a black man, but he isn’t an activist for black rights - or at least that isn’t where he is rooted.
I think that makes a significant difference to some people who wouldn’t normally support a black guy running for president.
That’s not true. Hillary could have won. In fact, had she not run such a horrible campaign, she probably would have won. A year ago, she was the presumptive nominee for the Democratic party, and millions of people voted for her to be the Democratic nominee.
Victoria Woodhull was nothing like that. She was nominated by a newly formed private party, with Frederick Douglass as her vice president (A former slave - and black) who didn’t accept the nomination. That’s the only reason she was nominated.
She wasn’t 35 years of age, and thus wasn’t put on the ballot.
She and Hillary have nothing in common besides the fact that they were both women running for President.
Hillary being widely accepted by a very high percentage of our population is much more recognition than Woodhull ever gained. Woodhull’s nomination and campaign were basically a publicity stunt to support the women’s suffrage act.
Hillary actually had a chance, and fucked it up.
cajun metal said 5 months ago
Jimmy, exactly :
Obama is "running a different race" than Jackson and Sharpton i.e. not based on black activism and therefore race wouldn’t be such a polarizing issue for Obama to overcome for a successful stab at the Presidency.
And again "I don’t think Hilary lost the nomination for the same reason Woodhull" lost the nomination i.e. not the same. I was trying to illustrate that although this isn’t the first time in history a black man and a woman has had their eye on the Presidency it’s the first time they’ve actually had a serious chance. As in I’m trying to support your 'big change'. sheesh