We are finally launching Cameesa! + Free Shirts!

I came across emptees recently and am extremely impressed with the community. There are some awesome artists and designers active on the emptees site.

I wanted to drop a quick line in regards to Cameesa and why it maybe of interest to some of the emptees community.

We are a new apparel company in Chicago that lets the community decide what should be printed and sold, not us. It is a crowdfunding platform. This means that artists submit designs and supporters fund the designs they like. The most heavily supported designs then go to print.

Supporters receive a first edition print of the T-shirt and earn money every time we sell the T-shirt. Artists receive a lump sum and earn money every time we sell the T-shirt.

We are looking for beta-testers as well as designers for Cameesa. In addition, the first 20 designers that sign up and submit two approved designs will become "Charter Members" and are entitled to a year’s worth of free T-Shirts!

If anyone would like more details or if anyone has suggestions, comments, etc., feel to contact me at viktor@cameesa.com

Cheers!

1. 

   Hays said over 2 years ago

   Sounds cool. Hasnt this been done before loads of times

2. 

   Gordocreative said over 2 years ago

   " It is a crowdfunding platform."

   It’s different. Instead of just voting sounds like you’re actually putting some amount of money towards the printing of the shirt. The company itself doesn’t pay for anything.

   Am I right?

3. 

   rich.a said over 2 years ago

   sounds dodgy to me

4. 

   Gordocreative said over 2 years ago

   heroes1985 said: sounds dodgy to me

   +1

5. 

   viktor said over 2 years ago

   Not really. Most sites out there are voting sites. This means shirts get printed based on a judgment call by a couple of individuals by analyzing votes from the community. We have nothing against voting sites. We feel sometimes the votes aren’t as accurate as they should be and thought a better way would be to have "Supporters" that back the design with dollars instead of votes.

   If you have links to sites with a similar model feel free to send or post the links. I would love to check them out!

   Thanks for the comment.

6. 

   derekdeal said over 2 years ago

   so who exercises quality control? or is it completely determined by votes? What if someone submits a god awful dragon design and then everyone from their larping guild votes for it and donates money. Do you print it anyway? How does that work mr. cameesa?

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   rich.a said over 2 years ago

   how much profit to you take from tees u havn’t designed or fronted the print costs?

   do you pay for the artists design or is that included in the funding people make?

   what if someone funds some money and no one else does? do they get there money back?

8. 

   Hays said over 2 years ago

   this is like
   Dragons Den

9. 

   viktor said over 2 years ago

   @Gordcreative: The company does pay. We pay the artists and supporters.

10. 

    Gordocreative said over 2 years ago

    @V: Do you pay upfront for the design or does the artist have to wait for you to sell shirts to get any profit? And how much profit does the artist get from each shirt sold?

11. 

    Hays said over 2 years ago

12. 

    Mickymays said over 2 years ago

    what if people vote/donate money for a design and it doesnt get printed?

13. 

    ajcronk said over 2 years ago

    Hello, Andy from Cameesa here.

    @Gordocreative We are still finalizing the pay out amounts to arists and supporters. Winning artists will get a lump sum prize plus money for each shirt sold. Supporters will get a limited edition of the shirt and money for each shirt sold.

    To clarify: there is no voting on the site. The idea is that we will let the community totally dictate what we print by letting them essentially pre-order their favorite designs. We will reward these trend setters by allowing them to share in the sales of the design.

14. 

    rich.a said over 2 years ago

    do you make money though from this?

15. 

    ajcronk said over 2 years ago

    @MickyMays if you support a design that does not get printed, you can move your support over to another design, or get a refund.

    For another example of crowd funding, check out sellaband.com

    The whole idea behind Cameesa is that we want to give near full control of the product over to the people who actually use it, and reward them for being part of it.

16. 

    viktor said over 2 years ago

    @MickeyMays. If it doesn’t get printed the money is returned.

17. 

    chrisoconnell said over 2 years ago

    It’s not really sketchy at all.
    It’s an amazing idea, assuming they aren’t running a scam. Which, it doesn’t seem like.

    But only time will tell.

    But, as soon as there’s enough money added to a shirt to print it... It can be printed?

    How do you decide how much it will cost?
    What percentage of it do you get?
    What percent does each supporter get?
    If One supporter pays for the whole shirt, do you get the same as if they payed $10?
    Or is it decided by how much they pay of the shirt?

18. 

    Mickymays said over 2 years ago

    Hays said:

    cocaine is a hell of a drug

19. 

    rich.a said over 2 years ago

    still seems like your trying to profit from designers without actually fronting any of the money yourself?

20. 

    Hays said over 2 years ago

    "you got the job buddy"

21. 

    viktor said over 2 years ago

    Gordocreative said: @V: Do you pay upfront for the design or does the artist have to wait for you to sell shirts to get any profit? And how much profit does the artist get from each shirt sold?

    Gordocreative said: " It is a crowdfunding platform." It’s different. Instead of just voting sounds like you’re actually putting some amount of money towards the printing of the shirt. The company itself doesn’t pay for anything. Am I right?

    We pay upfront in addition to providing royalties on shirts sold.

22. 

    viktor said over 2 years ago

    heroes1985 said: how much profit to you take from tees u havn’t designed or fronted the print costs? do you pay for the artists design or is that included in the funding people make? what if someone funds some money and no one else does? do they get there money back?

    Proceeds are split 3 ways between the Artist, the Supporter and Cameesa. Cameesa puts money up front to the artist in addition to providing royalties.

23. 

    ajcronk said over 2 years ago

    @heroes1985 We will be fronting some of the money ourselves. The whole "Supporter" model is used as a gauge of interest. A kind of a "put your money where your mouth is". The belief is that this is much more accurate than a vote.

    You should only support shirts that you want to wear.

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    chrisoconnell said over 2 years ago

    .V. said:

    heroes1985 said: how much profit to you take from tees u havn’t designed or fronted the print costs? do you pay for the artists design or is that included in the funding people make? what if someone funds some money and no one else does? do they get there money back?

    Proceeds are split 3 ways between the Artist, the Supporter and Cameesa. Cameesa puts money up front to the artist in addition to providing royalties.

    So basically.. You guys are accountants?

25. 

    viktor said over 2 years ago

    heroes1985 said: still seems like your trying to profit from designers without actually fronting any of the money yourself?

    We pay the artist up front in addition to providing royalties.

26. 

    rich.a said over 2 years ago

    threadless seems to get by on this unacurate system?

27. 

    chrisoconnell said over 2 years ago

    ajcronk said: @heroes1985 We will be fronting some of the money ourselves. The whole "Supporter" model is used as a gauge of interest. A kind of a "put your money where your mouth is". The belief is that this is much more accurate than a vote. You should only support shirts that you want to wear.

    So,then you don’t have the whole "Vote For Me" thing like DBH does...
    But, What stops someone from paying the whole price of the print?

    It doesn’t guarantee you any money.

    Actually, you would LOSE money.

    It should be, Submit. You Approve the design first! Then Supporters throw their money at you. If it reaches a certain amount by a MINIMUM number of people [aka, one person can’t pay for all of it] then it’s printed.

28. 

    viktor said over 2 years ago

    Hybrid said:

    ajcronk said: @heroes1985 We will be fronting some of the money ourselves. The whole "Supporter" model is used as a gauge of interest. A kind of a "put your money where your mouth is". The belief is that this is much more accurate than a vote. You should only support shirts that you want to wear.

    So,then you don’t have the whole "Vote For Me" thing like DBH does...
    But, What stops someone from paying the whole price of the print?

    It doesn’t guarantee you any money.

    Actually, you would LOSE money.

    It should be, Submit. You Approve the design first! Then Supporters throw their money at you. If it reaches a certain amount by a MINIMUM number of people [aka, one person can’t pay for all of it] then it’s printed.

    Yes this is how works. We do the initial approval and we do have restrictions on amounts individuals can support with. Our goal is to make sure everyone profits from Cameesa.

29. 

    chrisoconnell said over 2 years ago

    .V. said:

    Hybrid said:

    ajcronk said: @heroes1985 We will be fronting some of the money ourselves. The whole "Supporter" model is used as a gauge of interest. A kind of a "put your money where your mouth is". The belief is that this is much more accurate than a vote. You should only support shirts that you want to wear.

    So,then you don’t have the whole "Vote For Me" thing like DBH does...
    But, What stops someone from paying the whole price of the print?

    It doesn’t guarantee you any money.

    Actually, you would LOSE money.

    It should be, Submit. You Approve the design first! Then Supporters throw their money at you. If it reaches a certain amount by a MINIMUM number of people [aka, one person can’t pay for all of it] then it’s printed.

    Yes this is how works. We do the initial approval and we do have restrictions on amounts individuals can support with. Our goal is to make sure everyone profits from Cameesa.

    I also believe that there should be a list of USER NAMES showing how much each person pays. AND! The option to have them be anon. and it also shows how much you guys pay.

    And, the faster the shirt is going up in supporters, the MORE you, Cameesa, should pay.

30. 

    viktor said over 2 years ago

    heroes1985 said: threadless seems to get by on this unacurate system?

    Threadless is an awesome site and voting is an established way of running these sites. Our view is that the "support" model maybe another interesting way to go about things.

31. 

    ajcronk said over 2 years ago

    @Hybrid I wish I had the patience to be an accountant!

    We are a community of art lovers and t-shirt enthusiasts with a radically different approach. We started Cameesa because we wanted to get both designers AND t-lovers involved in the creation process.

    It is an experiment, but one we truly believe will produce some amazing shirts for everyone.

32. 

    chrisoconnell said over 2 years ago

    ajcronk said: @Hybrid I wish I had the patience to be an accountant! We are a community of art lovers and t-shirt enthusiasts with a radically different approach. We started Cameesa because we wanted to get both designers AND t-lovers involved in the creation process. It is an experiment, but one we truly believe will produce some amazing shirts for everyone.

    Oh, I don’t doubt your guys intent, or dedication. I agree with this being an AMAZING idea.

    I’m just curious as to how your process works.
    I’m already all for this idea.

33. 

    CMYK/BRAD said over 2 years ago

    Hays said:

    No lie, i bought this today for £3!

    NOICEEEE!

34. 

    Hays said over 2 years ago

    What time period are you looking at from: sending the money to getting it printed ?

35. 

    rich.a said over 2 years ago

    what happens if you get 40 dollars or so on every single design do you never print anything ?

36. 

    Hays said over 2 years ago

    CMYK|BRAD said:

    Hays said:

    No lie, i bought this today for £3!

    NOICEEEE!

    Hahah . I got mine for like £4 in the Virgin sales ( which is Zavvi now ? )

37. 

    ajcronk said over 2 years ago

    heroes1985 said: what happens if you get 40 dollars or so on every single design do you never print anything ?

    Hays said: What time period are you looking at from: sending the money to getting it printed ?

    We are planning on giving a design 30 days to reach the support level. If you have supported a design that does not make it, you can move your support to another design, or get your money back.

    Thanks so much for all of this feedback. We really want to create a new kind of online design community, and your input is amazing.

38. 

    Hays said over 2 years ago

    sounds risky all this transfering money.

39. 

    rich.a said over 2 years ago

    there are so many design sites where people can have an opinion for free?

    thats all im saying plus what if this fails what guarantees is there that you refund all the voted cash before the site dissapears off the web?

40. 

    quakerninja said over 2 years ago

    Just got back from the printers what a relief, am I to late to jump on this friend ship or has it already set sail. yarrrrgh. quakerninja@hotmail.com So how do I upload art. electronic mail or some other form of new age magic.

41. 

    ajcronk said over 2 years ago

    Hays said: sounds risky all this transfering money.

    Great point Hays. The process is actually no riskier than making any purchase online. Once you have supported, all of the "transferring" is virtual.

42. 

    Hays said over 2 years ago

    ajcronk said:

    Hays said: sounds risky all this transfering money.

    Great point Hays. The process is actually no riskier than making any purchase online. Once you have supported, all of the "transferring" is virtual.

    Point

43. 

    chrisoconnell said over 2 years ago

    Entirely secure process?

44. 

    Hays said over 2 years ago

    Taking that all in. The idea is good its just finding the people . and the people trusting it.

    Night x
    p.s add me http://www.myspace.com/messupclothing :(

45. 

    ajcronk said over 2 years ago

    heroes1985 said: there are so many design sites where people can have an opinion for free?

    It is true that we are not providing original content. But what is the value of an opinion (or design) if nobody hears it?

    We hope to be a place where it makes sense for you to give your opinion, because it will be heard by other people that want to hear it. (sorry for extending the metaphor)

    This is something that is very important to me, and I see come up regularly in design communities: exploitation of the artists. I believe that these communities wouldn’t exist without the artists, but the artist would not be as prominent without the community. It is a symbiotic relationship that is very fragile. But in the end, I believe that both sides benefit from each other.

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    ajcronk said over 2 years ago

    Hybrid said: Entirely secure process?

    Absolutely. I am incredibly paranoid about digital security (I am writing this from my Linux based laptop, no viruses for me!)

    Also, our lead developer works on internet applications with Bank of America. He knows a thing or two about security...

47. 

    chrisrushing said over 2 years ago

    derekdeal said: so who exercises quality control? or is it completely determined by votes? What if someone submits a god awful dragon design and then everyone from their larping guild votes for it and donates money. Do you print it anyway? How does that work mr. cameesa?

    LOL!!!!

48. 

    quakerninja said over 2 years ago

    can I upload 20 designs in an hour.

49. 

    litoQ said over 2 years ago

    ohhhhh i get it!! cameesa like camisa!! like tee in espanich?

50. 

    sittingduck said over 2 years ago

    oooo, i see a manticore tee getting tons of support on this site.

51. 

    quakerninja said over 2 years ago

    do it. do it now

52. 

    ajcronk said over 2 years ago

    quakerninja said: can I upload 20 designs in an hour.

    We are currently doing private beta testing of the site right now to get designer feedback. If you want to test the site out, head over to cameesa.com and sign up for updates.

    PS. You can only upload 20 designs right now if more than two contain manticorian themes...

53. 

    sittingduck said over 2 years ago

    ajcronk said:

    quakerninja said: can I upload 20 designs in an hour.

    We are currently doing private beta testing of the site right now to get designer feedback. If you want to test the site out, head over to cameesa.com and sign up for updates.

    PS. You can only upload 20 designs right now if more than two contain manticorian themes...

    but there is only one manticorian tee. one and only one.

54. 

    viktor said over 2 years ago

    heroes1985 said: there are so many design sites where people can have an opinion for free? thats all im saying plus what if this fails what guarantees is there that you refund all the voted cash before the site dissapears off the web?

    We’ve spent a significant amount of our own time and money developing the application. We are in it for the long haul. Voted cash is always returned if T-Shirts aren’t printed.

55. 

    TAC said over 2 years ago

    You should do a point system where points are bought and used as cash on the site instead of money going back and forth on bank accounts. So say i buy X amount of points and put them on a shirt then that shirt gets printed and whatever money i get goes back to me as more points which i can either spend on supporting a new shirt or buying a shirt or cashing out later on. Kinda of an interesting idea i think with the rite execution it would work very nice. Thnx for reading my 2 cents lol.

56. 

    HumanBoy said over 2 years ago

    TAC said: You should do a point system where points are bought and used as cash on the site instead of money going back and forth on bank accounts. So say i buy X amount of points and put them on a shirt then that shirt gets printed and whatever money i get goes back to me as more points which i can either spend on supporting a new shirt or buying a shirt or cashing out later on. Kinda of an interesting idea i think with the rite execution it would work very nice. Thnx for reading my 2 cents lol.

    +1

57. 

    Mickymays said over 2 years ago

    quixotic said:

    TAC said: You should do a point system where points are bought and used as cash on the site instead of money going back and forth on bank accounts. So say i buy X amount of points and put them on a shirt then that shirt gets printed and whatever money i get goes back to me as more points which i can either spend on supporting a new shirt or buying a shirt or cashing out later on. Kinda of an interesting idea i think with the rite execution it would work very nice. Thnx for reading my 2 cents lol.

    +1

    +2

58. 

    Randomentity said over 2 years ago

    sittingduck said:

    ajcronk said:

    quakerninja said: can I upload 20 designs in an hour.

    We are currently doing private beta testing of the site right now to get designer feedback. If you want to test the site out, head over to cameesa.com and sign up for updates.

    PS. You can only upload 20 designs right now if more than two contain manticorian themes...

    but there is only one manticorian tee. one and only one.

    THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE!

    /cue lightning

    TAC said: You should do a point system where points are bought and used as cash on the site instead of money going back and forth on bank accounts. So say i buy X amount of points and put them on a shirt then that shirt gets printed and whatever money i get goes back to me as more points which i can either spend on supporting a new shirt or buying a shirt or cashing out later on. Kinda of an interesting idea i think with the rite execution it would work very nice. Thnx for reading my 2 cents lol.

    look at TAC bein all smart and shit. that’s a goooood idea.
    and a lot more secure and trustworthy.

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