I came across emptees recently and am extremely impressed with the community. There are some awesome artists and designers active on the emptees site. I wanted to drop a quick line in regards to Cameesa and why it maybe of interest to some of the emptees community. We are a new apparel company in Chicago that lets the community decide what should be printed and sold, not us. It is a crowdfunding platform. This means that artists submit designs and supporters fund the designs they like. The most heavily supported designs then go to print. Supporters receive a first edition print of the T-shirt and earn money every time we sell the T-shirt. Artists receive a lump sum and earn money every time we sell the T-shirt. We are looking for beta-testers as well as designers for Cameesa. In addition, the first 20 designers that sign up and submit two approved designs will become "Charter Members" and are entitled to a year's worth of free T-Shirts! If anyone would like more details or if anyone has suggestions, comments, etc., feel to contact me at viktor@cameesa.com Cheers! 2008-04-04T11:15:36-04:00 58 2008-04-03T17:23:32-04:00 true 0 2367 false false 173 3438 2 2009-11-21T22:16:12-05:00 960 Sounds cool. Hasnt this been done before loads of times 2367 Post 2008-04-03T17:25:26-04:00 61318 1742 2008-04-03T17:25:26-04:00 " It is a crowdfunding platform." It's different. Instead of just voting sounds like you're actually putting some amount of money towards the printing of the shirt. The company itself doesn't pay for anything. Am I right? 2367 Post 2008-04-03T17:40:30-04:00 61326 2175 2008-04-03T17:40:30-04:00 sounds dodgy to me 2367 Post 2008-04-03T17:43:02-04:00 61328 1486 2008-04-03T17:43:02-04:00 <blockquote><cite>heroes1985 said:</cite> sounds dodgy to me</blockquote> +1 2367 Post 2008-04-03T17:43:53-04:00 61329 2175 2008-04-03T17:43:53-04:00 Not really. Most sites out there are voting sites. This means shirts get printed based on a judgment call by a couple of individuals by analyzing votes from the community. We have nothing against voting sites. We feel sometimes the votes aren't as accurate as they should be and thought a better way would be to have "Supporters" that back the design with dollars instead of votes. If you have links to sites with a similar model feel free to send or post the links. I would love to check them out! Thanks for the comment. 2367 Post 2008-04-03T17:44:22-04:00 61330 3438 2008-04-03T17:44:22-04:00 so who exercises quality control? or is it completely determined by votes? What if someone submits a god awful dragon design and then everyone from their larping guild votes for it and donates money. Do you print it anyway? How does that work mr. cameesa? 2367 Post 2008-04-03T17:44:29-04:00 61331 1146 2008-04-03T17:44:29-04:00 how much profit to you take from tees u havn't designed or fronted the print costs? do you pay for the artists design or is that included in the funding people make? what if someone funds some money and no one else does? do they get there money back? 2367 Post 2008-04-03T17:49:07-04:00 61334 1486 2008-04-03T17:49:07-04:00 this is like Dragons Den 2367 Post 2008-04-03T17:50:24-04:00 61336 1742 2008-04-03T17:50:24-04:00 @Gordcreative: The company does pay. We pay the artists and supporters. 2367 Post 2008-04-03T17:50:27-04:00 61337 3438 2008-04-03T17:50:27-04:00 @V: Do you pay upfront for the design or does the artist have to wait for you to sell shirts to get any profit? And how much profit does the artist get from each shirt sold? 2367 Post 2008-04-03T17:52:55-04:00 61340 2175 2008-04-03T17:52:55-04:00 http://youtube.com/watch?v=GizrAHftndY&feature=related 2367 Post 2008-04-03T17:55:30-04:00 61342 1742 2008-04-03T17:55:30-04:00 what if people vote/donate money for a design and it doesnt get printed? 2367 Post 2008-04-03T17:55:58-04:00 61344 2342 2008-04-03T17:55:58-04:00 Hello, Andy from Cameesa here. @Gordocreative We are still finalizing the pay out amounts to arists and supporters. Winning artists will get a lump sum prize plus money for each shirt sold. Supporters will get a limited edition of the shirt and money for each shirt sold. To clarify: there is no voting on the site. The idea is that we will let the community totally dictate what we print by letting them essentially pre-order their favorite designs. We will reward these trend setters by allowing them to share in the sales of the design. 2367 Post 2008-04-03T18:02:39-04:00 61346 3439 2008-04-03T18:02:39-04:00 do you make money though from this? 2367 Post 2008-04-03T18:03:50-04:00 61347 1486 2008-04-03T18:03:50-04:00 @MickyMays if you support a design that does not get printed, you can move your support over to another design, or get a refund. For another example of crowd funding, check out sellaband.com The whole idea behind Cameesa is that we want to give near full control of the product over to the people who actually use it, and reward them for being part of it. 2367 Post 2008-04-03T18:07:10-04:00 61349 3439 2008-04-03T18:07:10-04:00 @MickeyMays. If it doesn't get printed the money is returned. 2367 Post 2008-04-03T18:07:19-04:00 61350 3438 2008-04-03T18:07:19-04:00 It's not really sketchy at all. It's an amazing idea, assuming they aren't running a scam. Which, it doesn't seem like. But only time will tell. But, as soon as there's enough money added to a shirt to print it... It can be printed? How do you decide how much it will cost? What percentage of it do you get? What percent does each supporter get? If One supporter pays for the whole shirt, do you get the same as if they payed $10? Or is it decided by how much they pay of the shirt? 2367 Post 2008-04-03T18:09:05-04:00 61351 982 2008-04-03T18:09:05-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Hays said:</cite> http://youtube.com/watch?v=GizrAHftndY&feature=related</blockquote> cocaine is a hell of a drug 2367 Post 2008-04-03T18:09:18-04:00 61352 2342 2008-04-03T18:09:18-04:00 still seems like your trying to profit from designers without actually fronting any of the money yourself? 2367 Post 2008-04-03T18:12:09-04:00 61353 1486 2008-04-03T18:12:09-04:00 "you got the job buddy" 2367 Post 2008-04-03T18:13:34-04:00 61354 1742 2008-04-03T18:13:34-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Gordocreative said:</cite> @V: Do you pay upfront for the design or does the artist have to wait for you to sell shirts to get any profit? And how much profit does the artist get from each shirt sold?</blockquote> <blockquote><cite>Gordocreative said:</cite> " It is a crowdfunding platform." It's different. Instead of just voting sounds like you're actually putting some amount of money towards the printing of the shirt. The company itself doesn't pay for anything. Am I right?</blockquote> We pay upfront in addition to providing royalties on shirts sold. 2367 Post 2008-04-03T18:13:49-04:00 61355 3438 2008-04-03T18:13:49-04:00 <blockquote><cite>heroes1985 said:</cite> how much profit to you take from tees u havn't designed or fronted the print costs? do you pay for the artists design or is that included in the funding people make? what if someone funds some money and no one else does? do they get there money back?</blockquote> Proceeds are split 3 ways between the Artist, the Supporter and Cameesa. Cameesa puts money up front to the artist in addition to providing royalties. 2367 Post 2008-04-03T18:17:19-04:00 61357 3438 2008-04-03T18:17:19-04:00 @heroes1985 We will be fronting some of the money ourselves. The whole "Supporter" model is used as a gauge of interest. A kind of a "put your money where your mouth is". The belief is that this is much more accurate than a vote. You should only support shirts that you want to wear. 2367 Post 2008-04-03T18:17:32-04:00 61358 3439 2008-04-03T18:17:32-04:00 <blockquote><cite>.V. said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>heroes1985 said:</cite> how much profit to you take from tees u havn't designed or fronted the print costs? do you pay for the artists design or is that included in the funding people make? what if someone funds some money and no one else does? do they get there money back?</blockquote> Proceeds are split 3 ways between the Artist, the Supporter and Cameesa. Cameesa puts money up front to the artist in addition to providing royalties.</blockquote> So basically.. You guys are accountants? 2367 Post 2008-04-03T18:18:02-04:00 61359 982 2008-04-03T18:18:02-04:00 <blockquote><cite>heroes1985 said:</cite> still seems like your trying to profit from designers without actually fronting any of the money yourself?</blockquote> We pay the artist up front in addition to providing royalties. 2367 Post 2008-04-03T18:18:21-04:00 61361 3438 2008-04-03T18:18:21-04:00 threadless seems to get by on this unacurate system? 2367 Post 2008-04-03T18:19:40-04:00 61362 1486 2008-04-03T18:19:40-04:00 <blockquote><cite>ajcronk said:</cite> @heroes1985 We will be fronting some of the money ourselves. The whole "Supporter" model is used as a gauge of interest. A kind of a "put your money where your mouth is". The belief is that this is much more accurate than a vote. You should only support shirts that you want to wear.</blockquote> So,then you don't have the whole "Vote For Me" thing like DBH does... But, What stops someone from paying the whole price of the print? It doesn't guarantee you any money. Actually, you would LOSE money. It should be, Submit. You Approve the design first! Then Supporters throw their money at you. If it reaches a certain amount by a MINIMUM number of people [aka, one person can't pay for all of it] then it's printed. 2367 Post 2008-04-03T18:19:46-04:00 61363 982 2008-04-03T18:21:33-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Hybrid said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>ajcronk said:</cite> @heroes1985 We will be fronting some of the money ourselves. The whole "Supporter" model is used as a gauge of interest. A kind of a "put your money where your mouth is". The belief is that this is much more accurate than a vote. You should only support shirts that you want to wear.</blockquote> So,then you don't have the whole "Vote For Me" thing like DBH does... But, What stops someone from paying the whole price of the print? It doesn't guarantee you any money. Actually, you would LOSE money. It should be, Submit. You Approve the design first! Then Supporters throw their money at you. If it reaches a certain amount by a MINIMUM number of people [aka, one person can't pay for all of it] then it's printed.</blockquote> Yes this is how works. We do the initial approval and we do have restrictions on amounts individuals can support with. Our goal is to make sure everyone profits from Cameesa. 2367 Post 2008-04-03T18:24:21-04:00 61366 3438 2008-04-03T18:24:21-04:00 <blockquote><cite>.V. said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Hybrid said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>ajcronk said:</cite> @heroes1985 We will be fronting some of the money ourselves. The whole "Supporter" model is used as a gauge of interest. A kind of a "put your money where your mouth is". The belief is that this is much more accurate than a vote. You should only support shirts that you want to wear.</blockquote> So,then you don't have the whole "Vote For Me" thing like DBH does... But, What stops someone from paying the whole price of the print? It doesn't guarantee you any money. Actually, you would LOSE money. It should be, Submit. You Approve the design first! Then Supporters throw their money at you. If it reaches a certain amount by a MINIMUM number of people [aka, one person can't pay for all of it] then it's printed.</blockquote> Yes this is how works. We do the initial approval and we do have restrictions on amounts individuals can support with. Our goal is to make sure everyone profits from Cameesa.</blockquote> I also believe that there should be a list of USER NAMES showing how much each person pays. AND! The option to have them be anon. and it also shows how much you guys pay. And, the faster the shirt is going up in supporters, the MORE you, Cameesa, should pay. 2367 Post 2008-04-03T18:26:24-04:00 61368 982 2008-04-03T18:26:24-04:00 <blockquote><cite>heroes1985 said:</cite> threadless seems to get by on this unacurate system?</blockquote> Threadless is an awesome site and voting is an established way of running these sites. Our view is that the "support" model maybe another interesting way to go about things. 2367 Post 2008-04-03T18:27:03-04:00 61370 3438 2008-04-03T18:27:03-04:00 @Hybrid I wish I had the patience to be an accountant! We are a community of art lovers and t-shirt enthusiasts with a radically different approach. We started Cameesa because we wanted to get both designers AND t-lovers involved in the creation process. It is an experiment, but one we truly believe will produce some amazing shirts for everyone. 2367 Post 2008-04-03T18:28:36-04:00 61373 3439 2008-04-03T18:28:36-04:00 <blockquote><cite>ajcronk said:</cite> @Hybrid I wish I had the patience to be an accountant! We are a community of art lovers and t-shirt enthusiasts with a radically different approach. We started Cameesa because we wanted to get both designers AND t-lovers involved in the creation process. It is an experiment, but one we truly believe will produce some amazing shirts for everyone.</blockquote> Oh, I don't doubt your guys intent, or dedication. I agree with this being an AMAZING idea. I'm just curious as to how your process works. I'm already all for this idea. 2367 Post 2008-04-03T18:30:07-04:00 61376 982 2008-04-03T18:30:07-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Hays said:</cite> http://youtube.com/watch?v=GizrAHftndY&feature=related</blockquote> No lie, i bought this today for £3! NOICEEEE! 2367 Post 2008-04-03T18:32:32-04:00 61378 968 2008-04-03T18:32:32-04:00 What time period are you looking at from: sending the money to getting it printed ? 2367 Post 2008-04-03T18:32:55-04:00 61379 1742 2008-04-03T18:32:55-04:00 what happens if you get 40 dollars or so on every single design do you never print anything ? 2367 Post 2008-04-03T18:37:18-04:00 61383 1486 2008-04-03T18:37:18-04:00 <blockquote><cite>CMYK|BRAD said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Hays said:</cite> http://youtube.com/watch?v=GizrAHftndY&feature=related</blockquote> No lie, i bought this today for £3! NOICEEEE!</blockquote> Hahah . I got mine for like £4 in the Virgin sales ( which is Zavvi now ? ) 2367 Post 2008-04-03T18:39:12-04:00 61384 1742 2008-04-03T18:39:12-04:00 <blockquote><cite>heroes1985 said:</cite> what happens if you get 40 dollars or so on every single design do you never print anything ?</blockquote> <blockquote><cite>Hays said:</cite> What time period are you looking at from: sending the money to getting it printed ?</blockquote> We are planning on giving a design 30 days to reach the support level. If you have supported a design that does not make it, you can move your support to another design, or get your money back. Thanks so much for all of this feedback. We really want to create a new kind of online design community, and your input is amazing. 2367 Post 2008-04-03T18:49:36-04:00 61389 3439 2008-04-03T18:49:36-04:00 sounds risky all this transfering money. 2367 Post 2008-04-03T18:50:59-04:00 61390 1742 2008-04-03T18:50:59-04:00 there are so many design sites where people can have an opinion for free? thats all im saying plus what if this fails what guarantees is there that you refund all the voted cash before the site dissapears off the web? 2367 Post 2008-04-03T18:54:17-04:00 61393 1486 2008-04-03T18:54:17-04:00 Just got back from the printers what a relief, am I to late to jump on this friend ship or has it already set sail. yarrrrgh. quakerninja@hotmail.com So how do I upload art. electronic mail or some other form of new age magic. 2367 Post 2008-04-03T18:55:18-04:00 61394 506 2008-04-03T18:55:18-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Hays said:</cite> sounds risky all this transfering money.</blockquote> Great point Hays. The process is actually no riskier than making any purchase online. Once you have supported, all of the "transferring" is virtual. 2367 Post 2008-04-03T18:55:27-04:00 61395 3439 2008-04-03T18:55:27-04:00 <blockquote><cite>ajcronk said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Hays said:</cite> sounds risky all this transfering money.</blockquote> Great point Hays. The process is actually no riskier than making any purchase online. Once you have supported, all of the "transferring" is virtual.</blockquote> Point 2367 Post 2008-04-03T18:56:30-04:00 61396 1742 2008-04-03T18:56:30-04:00 Entirely secure process? 2367 Post 2008-04-03T18:57:08-04:00 61397 982 2008-04-03T18:57:08-04:00 Taking that all in. The idea is good its just finding the people . and the people trusting it. Night x p.s add me http://www.myspace.com/messupclothing :( 2367 Post 2008-04-03T19:00:23-04:00 61399 1742 2008-04-03T19:00:23-04:00 <blockquote><cite>heroes1985 said:</cite> there are so many design sites where people can have an opinion for free? </blockquote> It is true that we are not providing original content. But what is the value of an opinion (or design) if nobody hears it? We hope to be a place where it makes sense for you to give your opinion, because it will be heard by other people that want to hear it. (sorry for extending the metaphor) This is something that is very important to me, and I see come up regularly in design communities: exploitation of the artists. I believe that these communities wouldn't exist without the artists, but the artist would not be as prominent without the community. It is a symbiotic relationship that is very fragile. But in the end, I believe that both sides benefit from each other. 2367 Post 2008-04-03T19:06:16-04:00 61401 3439 2008-04-03T19:06:16-04:00 <blockquote><cite>Hybrid said:</cite> Entirely secure process?</blockquote> Absolutely. I am incredibly paranoid about digital security (I am writing this from my Linux based laptop, no viruses for me!) Also, our lead developer works on internet applications with Bank of America. He knows a thing or two about security... 2367 Post 2008-04-03T19:10:47-04:00 61402 3439 2008-04-03T19:10:47-04:00 <blockquote><cite>derekdeal said:</cite> so who exercises quality control? or is it completely determined by votes? What if someone submits a god awful dragon design and then everyone from their larping guild votes for it and donates money. Do you print it anyway? How does that work mr. cameesa?</blockquote> LOL!!!! 2367 Post 2008-04-03T19:22:21-04:00 61405 954 2008-04-03T19:22:21-04:00 can I upload 20 designs in an hour. 2367 Post 2008-04-03T19:22:46-04:00 61406 506 2008-04-03T19:22:46-04:00 ohhhhh i get it!! cameesa like camisa!! like tee in espanich? 2367 Post 2008-04-03T19:33:40-04:00 61411 1498 2008-04-03T19:33:40-04:00 oooo, i see a manticore tee getting tons of support on this site. 2367 Post 2008-04-03T19:38:45-04:00 61416 1087 2008-04-03T19:38:45-04:00 do it. do it now 2367 Post 2008-04-03T19:41:38-04:00 61418 506 2008-04-03T19:41:38-04:00 <blockquote><cite>quakerninja said:</cite> can I upload 20 designs in an hour.</blockquote> We are currently doing private beta testing of the site right now to get designer feedback. If you want to test the site out, head over to cameesa.com and sign up for updates. PS. You can only upload 20 designs right now if more than two contain manticorian themes... 2367 Post 2008-04-03T19:48:59-04:00 61421 3439 2008-04-03T19:48:59-04:00 <blockquote><cite>ajcronk said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>quakerninja said:</cite> can I upload 20 designs in an hour.</blockquote> We are currently doing private beta testing of the site right now to get designer feedback. If you want to test the site out, head over to cameesa.com and sign up for updates. PS. You can only upload 20 designs right now if more than two contain manticorian themes...</blockquote> but there is only one manticorian tee. one and only one. 2367 Post 2008-04-03T20:50:50-04:00 61438 1087 2008-04-03T20:50:50-04:00 <blockquote><cite>heroes1985 said:</cite> there are so many design sites where people can have an opinion for free? thats all im saying plus what if this fails what guarantees is there that you refund all the voted cash before the site dissapears off the web?</blockquote> We've spent a significant amount of our own time and money developing the application. We are in it for the long haul. Voted cash is always returned if T-Shirts aren't printed. 2367 Post 2008-04-03T22:21:45-04:00 61487 3438 2008-04-03T22:21:45-04:00 You should do a point system where points are bought and used as cash on the site instead of money going back and forth on bank accounts. So say i buy X amount of points and put them on a shirt then that shirt gets printed and whatever money i get goes back to me as more points which i can either spend on supporting a new shirt or buying a shirt or cashing out later on. Kinda of an interesting idea i think with the rite execution it would work very nice. Thnx for reading my 2 cents lol. 2367 Post 2008-04-04T00:24:28-04:00 61563 2850 2008-04-04T00:24:28-04:00 <blockquote><cite>TAC said:</cite> You should do a point system where points are bought and used as cash on the site instead of money going back and forth on bank accounts. So say i buy X amount of points and put them on a shirt then that shirt gets printed and whatever money i get goes back to me as more points which i can either spend on supporting a new shirt or buying a shirt or cashing out later on. Kinda of an interesting idea i think with the rite execution it would work very nice. Thnx for reading my 2 cents lol.</blockquote> +1 2367 Post 2008-04-04T00:34:33-04:00 61565 473 2008-04-04T00:34:33-04:00 <blockquote><cite>quixotic said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>TAC said:</cite> You should do a point system where points are bought and used as cash on the site instead of money going back and forth on bank accounts. So say i buy X amount of points and put them on a shirt then that shirt gets printed and whatever money i get goes back to me as more points which i can either spend on supporting a new shirt or buying a shirt or cashing out later on. Kinda of an interesting idea i think with the rite execution it would work very nice. Thnx for reading my 2 cents lol.</blockquote> +1</blockquote> +2 2367 Post 2008-04-04T00:49:27-04:00 61568 2342 2008-04-04T00:49:27-04:00 <blockquote><cite>sittingduck said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>ajcronk said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>quakerninja said:</cite> can I upload 20 designs in an hour.</blockquote> We are currently doing private beta testing of the site right now to get designer feedback. If you want to test the site out, head over to cameesa.com and sign up for updates. PS. You can only upload 20 designs right now if more than two contain manticorian themes...</blockquote> but there is only one manticorian tee. one and only one.</blockquote> THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE! /cue lightning <blockquote><cite>TAC said:</cite> You should do a point system where points are bought and used as cash on the site instead of money going back and forth on bank accounts. So say i buy X amount of points and put them on a shirt then that shirt gets printed and whatever money i get goes back to me as more points which i can either spend on supporting a new shirt or buying a shirt or cashing out later on. Kinda of an interesting idea i think with the rite execution it would work very nice. Thnx for reading my 2 cents lol.</blockquote> look at TAC bein all smart and shit. that's a goooood idea. and a lot more secure and trustworthy. 2367 Post 2008-04-04T11:15:36-04:00 61722 173 2008-04-04T11:15:36-04:00