you guys ever show clients a partial job, like just the line work or a sketch. Im working on one now, im about 5 hours in already only half way done. thinkin about showing it to the client at its current state before i get too far.
thoughts?
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sometimes it’s good to show to the client, if he have any suggestion, correction or other idea he will tell you and you will know if you are in the right way or you are just wasting your time, but don’t show all, just a lil sketch
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i went ahead and sent it like this, I figure if they dont want it i can still make it into something but without the rush.
Any comments are appreciated, i didnt want to start a shirt cuz its not shirt ready i think.
<img src="http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i29/derekdeal/ciwwaf_lines1-1.jpg">
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I’m kinda in the same position right now, I’m doing a few t-shirt designs for a client and I want to show them so if they’re not into it I can start working on a different one. But at the same time I think I should just show them the final product.
anyway, I dig that design dude, it’s cool..
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well i get paid for projects along the way, i get paid partially on roughs and have them sign it off then collect the rest when it’s done….
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looks great so far dude.
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love the colours, everything really “pops”. I also really like the yellow preview you’ve got there, that would look aweosme on a yellow shirt.
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I like this.
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i used to show very rough initial sketches and get aproovals on them, then go ahead and finish it.
I would like to show progress as I go along but I am afraid of a small amount of people not having a good imagination and being able to see where its going or be able to foresee the finished piece. And then you spend time answering questions and changing things- mainly because they dont know how the end piece will look.
I sent one client a sketch, said it was a sketch, yet they replied with 'um, we like it but it doesnt look like your other pieces, do you think you can make it more cleaner and put more detail in it for us please?'.
I would aim to get that 'wow' factor- its risky if there are changes though.
lately though I am starting to put more detail into my sketches. It makes the world of difference for clients and yourself alike, for one, it makes finishing it much quicker.
did i answer a question or did i just spout crap then? hahaha.
anyhoo- looks awesome derek. maybe more red/lava flying about under the cloud? maybe? am usually wrong on these things anyway ahaha.
pees
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I like working with designers who offer sketches during the progress. As godmachine said, the designer / client can work with it during the whole setup, that way you're not just shown a piece of work and say 'hope this is what you were going for'.
Some clients may see it differently, and if it does look awesome, may just accept based on that 'wow' factor. But some instances, it's just not what they had in mind. Communication is key.
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<blockquote><cite>callmecrazy said:</cite> I like working with designers who offer sketches during the progress. As godmachine said, the designer / client can work with it during the whole setup, that way you're not just shown a piece of work and say 'hope this is what you were going for'.
Some clients may see it differently, and if it does look awesome, may just accept based on that 'wow' factor. But some instances, it's just not what they had in mind. Communication is key.</blockquote>
i meant that I really try to avoid having the client work with me 'during' the design- it slows stuff right down waiting for emails back and forth, understanding each others ideas etc etc. I am not paid enough to do that- if i was go-media, fair enough. But I am not.
If you want to though- I am happy to- just need more time and money.
I get a good brief, good sketch- and we go from there to the finished piece.
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<blockquote><cite>godmachine said:</cite>
I would aim to get that 'wow' factor- its risky if there are changes though.</blockquote>
From experience, that's always worked for me. In 3 years or so I've only ever had 2 rejections. I like that ratio.
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<blockquote><cite>godmachine said:</cite> i meant that I really try to avoid having the client work with me 'during' the design- it slows stuff right down waiting for emails back and forth, understanding each others ideas etc etc. I am not paid enough to do that- if i was go-media, fair enough. But I am not.
If you want to though- I am happy to- just need more time and money.
I get a good brief, good sketch- and we go from there to the finished piece.</blockquote>
I'm not saying constant back and forth, but I like a rough first draft, myself. That way I know what's in their heads from the get go. Nothing worse than a designer getting the complete wrong concept and you telling them to scrap it and start over.
I've never had it happen, but I would feel awful saying that, myself. Obviously I'd compensate for that fact, but still.
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I generally update the client with how things are looking at the end of the day, and most things take a couple of days at least for me nowadays..and of course i send an initial sketch. And my initial sketches are the WORST EVERRR. I cant sketch to save my life, i generally ask my clients to use their imagination to some extent.
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<blockquote><cite>danmumford said:</cite> I generally update the client with how things are looking at the end of the day, and most things take a couple of days at least for me nowadays..and of course i send an initial sketch. And my initial sketches are the WORST EVERRR. I cant sketch to save my life, i generally ask my clients to use their imagination to some extent.</blockquote>
bingo.
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<blockquote><cite>danmumford said:</cite> I generally update the client with how things are looking at the end of the day, and most things take a couple of days at least for me nowadays..and of course i send an initial sketch. And my initial sketches are the WORST EVERRR. I cant sketch to save my life, i generally ask my clients to use their imagination to some extent.</blockquote>
i GUARANTEE i have you beat there. MY sketches are the worst ever. a scribbly mess with a few words somewhere on it.
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<blockquote><cite>xjoshuabelangerx said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>danmumford said:</cite> I generally update the client with how things are looking at the end of the day, and most things take a couple of days at least for me nowadays..and of course i send an initial sketch. And my initial sketches are the WORST EVERRR. I cant sketch to save my life, i generally ask my clients to use their imagination to some extent.</blockquote>
i GUARANTEE i have you beat there. MY sketches are the worst ever. a scribbly mess with a few words somewhere on it.</blockquote>
i challenge you to a private messy sketch off! I have seen mumfords and we are pretty similar- maybe we can have you beat hahaha
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<blockquote><cite>godmachine said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>xjoshuabelangerx said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>danmumford said:</cite> I generally update the client with how things are looking at the end of the day, and most things take a couple of days at least for me nowadays..and of course i send an initial sketch. And my initial sketches are the WORST EVERRR. I cant sketch to save my life, i generally ask my clients to use their imagination to some extent.</blockquote>
i GUARANTEE i have you beat there. MY sketches are the worst ever. a scribbly mess with a few words somewhere on it.</blockquote>
i challenge you to a private messy sketch off! I have seen mumfords and we are pretty similar- maybe we can have you beat hahaha</blockquote>
I poop on a piece of paper and scan it in. BEAT THAT.
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I usually send sketches now, they are 1x1 inch hastily drawn moleskin thumbnails that only I can really decipher, but it's something.
also the design up top sucks balls
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<blockquote><cite>derekdeal said:</cite> I posted a colored version of my sketch, if anyone was following this. No word from the client either way. I hate when someone cant even give you the decency of a response after you’ve invested time into their project. oh well, im trying to illustrate more and this gave me good practice.
<img src="http://s3.amazonaws.com/emptees/images/3707/dino_mock.jpg" width=500 height=250><a href="http://emptees.com/tees/960-extinction-theory"></blockquote>
I hate when people ask you to design them something for a price, and then they say they like it and when it comes time to pay, they never fucking respond... or if they just dont respond at all. I think its really fucked up that they can just waste someones time like that and not even care to respond. "I wouldnt mind if they said, I'm sorry, im not really interested anymore," rather than give me the cold shoulder.
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I don't typically let that happen, this was over a year ago.
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<blockquote><cite>derekdeal said:</cite> I don't typically let that happen, this was over a year ago and sent the sketch as part of a spec job for fbr. Now I charge kill fees and steer clear of that kind of work.</blockquote>
yeah, this is an old post, I just hate seeing that happen to me, and for anyone else that's terrible too... But yeah, I'm not even close as respectable a designer as you, so kill fee's probably wouldn't go to well for me. haha.
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who the hell keeps bumping old threads?! stop it- it confuses me.
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<blockquote><cite>danmumford said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>godmachine said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>xjoshuabelangerx said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>danmumford said:</cite> I generally update the client with how things are looking at the end of the day, and most things take a couple of days at least for me nowadays..and of course i send an initial sketch. And my initial sketches are the WORST EVERRR. I cant sketch to save my life, i generally ask my clients to use their imagination to some extent.</blockquote>
i GUARANTEE i have you beat there. MY sketches are the worst ever. a scribbly mess with a few words somewhere on it.</blockquote>
i challenge you to a private messy sketch off! I have seen mumfords and we are pretty similar- maybe we can have you beat hahaha</blockquote>
I poop on a piece of paper and scan it in. BEAT THAT.</blockquote>
i call rip. That's EXACTLY what i do. let me post a thread regarding this travesty. you of all people dan....
i accept your challenge.
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I always find other artists roughs interesting/strange, I like that only they can see the idea clearly and everybody else just sees incoherent scribbles.
Here's the rough that I sent for <a href="http://emptees.com/tees/15453-odins-wisdom">Odins Wisdom</a>.
<img src="http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y142/mrgauky/OdinRough.jpg" />
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<blockquote><cite>xjoshuabelangerx said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>danmumford said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>godmachine said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>xjoshuabelangerx said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>danmumford said:</cite> I generally update the client with how things are looking at the end of the day, and most things take a couple of days at least for me nowadays..and of course i send an initial sketch. And my initial sketches are the WORST EVERRR. I cant sketch to save my life, i generally ask my clients to use their imagination to some extent.</blockquote>
i GUARANTEE i have you beat there. MY sketches are the worst ever. a scribbly mess with a few words somewhere on it.</blockquote>
i challenge you to a private messy sketch off! I have seen mumfords and we are pretty similar- maybe we can have you beat hahaha</blockquote>
I poop on a piece of paper and scan it in. BEAT THAT.</blockquote>
i call rip. That's EXACTLY what i do. let me post a thread regarding this travesty. you of all people dan....
i accept your challenge.</blockquote>
oh- its on
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<blockquote><cite>mrgauky said:</cite> I always find other artists roughs interesting/strange, I like that only they can see the idea clearly and everybody else just sees incoherent scribbles.
Here's the rough that I sent for <a href="http://emptees.com/tees/15453-odins-wisdom">Odins Wisdom</a>.
<img src="http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y142/mrgauky/OdinRough.jpg" /></blockquote>
that's awesome! this is pretty much how my wolf design started out
<img src="http://www.grabup.com/uploads/8c6ec14d204435dd37c1a1a3e9dc44d5.png?direct" />
<img src="http://www.grabup.com/uploads/72bb3063dc76dfc28cba1dad91f6d894.png?direct" />
usually what i show clients is slightly better than that but not much
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there should be a sketches & illustrations thread that is solely sketches. I find these fascinating. thanks for sharing, Deal & Gaukyman
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<blockquote><cite>skullface said:</cite> there should be a sketches & illustrations thread that is solely sketches. I find these fascinating. thanks for sharing, Deal & Gaukyman</blockquote>
2nd, rough sketch to sick design.
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<blockquote><cite>mrgauky said:</cite> I always find other artists roughs interesting/strange, I like that only they can see the idea clearly and everybody else just sees incoherent scribbles.
Here's the rough that I sent for <a href="http://emptees.com/tees/15453-odins-wisdom">Odins Wisdom</a>.
<img src="http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y142/mrgauky/OdinRough.jpg" /></blockquote>
<blockquote><cite>derekdeal said:</cite> I posted a colored version of my sketch, if anyone was following this. No word from the client either way. I hate when someone cant even give you the decency of a response after you’ve invested time into their project. oh well, im trying to illustrate more and this gave me good practice.
<img src="http://s3.amazonaws.com/emptees/images/3707/dino_mock.jpg" width=500 height=250><a href="http://emptees.com/tees/960-extinction-theory"></blockquote>
i like the line work for derek, but when it goes color if comes out ...i dont know is it river? there is no river in the end of time of dinosours...just saying though..
and for gauky, i love your art, wow a nice clean sketch you have there, where do you finish it? at Ps or Ae? do you use tablet?
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<blockquote><cite>godmachine said:</cite>I sent one client a sketch, said it was a sketch, yet they replied with 'um, we like it but it doesnt look like your other pieces, do you think you can make it more cleaner and put more detail in it for us please?'.</blockquote>
possible that this client was me?
i guess every artist has an another way to define "sketch".
i worked with you together and i was completely shocked.
we talked about if you could do a "hip hop dinosaur".
and then you were sending me a "sketch" and it looks like this
<img src="http://i44.tinypic.com/35k7mte.jpg" />
and i was like "whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?"
but just because a few artists ago send me sketches which were "the final version not inked".
and after 2-3 weeks you send me the final version and it is/was amazing
<img src="http://i40.tinypic.com/wryhc.jpg" />
but i'm soooo happy with it.
i think every artist chooses a different way to work with clients.
some keep their clients up do date and show them every new splash of color. and some send them a "sketch" and then the final verison.
however...
godmachine, you're an amazing artist
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I generally do a sketch then a final. But sometimes if the idea is agreed on I have gone right to the final. Only reason I sometimes go with sketch first is sometimes some clients will have a completely different idea, then that design is scratched wither it's finished design or not so better it's a sketch then a fully colored illo.
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<blockquote><cite>PartySmartie said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>godmachine said:</cite>I sent one client a sketch, said it was a sketch, yet they replied with 'um, we like it but it doesnt look like your other pieces, do you think you can make it more cleaner and put more detail in it for us please?'.</blockquote>
possible that this client was me?
i guess every artist has an another way to define "sketch".
i worked with you together and i was completely shocked.
we talked about if you could do a "hip hop dinosaur".
and then you were sending me a "sketch" and it looks like this
<img src="http://i44.tinypic.com/35k7mte.jpg" />
and i was like "whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?"
but just because a few artists ago send me sketches which were "the final version not inked".
and after 2-3 weeks you send me the final version and it is/was amazing
<img src="http://i40.tinypic.com/wryhc.jpg" />
but i'm soooo happy with it.
i think every artist chooses a different way to work with clients.
some keep their clients up do date and show them every new splash of color. and some send them a "sketch" and then the final verison.
however...
godmachine, you're an amazing artist</blockquote>
first off, that illustration is amazing.
second.....
you call that a SKETCH!!!!!
ahahahahaha, no way man.
check this out!
<img src="http://clients.joshuaandrewbelanger.com/thedying/THEDYINGsharksketch.jpg" />
<img src="http://cache0.emptees.com/images/57089/THEDYINGsharkemptees.gif" />
and that's not even a bad one!
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I ALWAYS show a thumbnail, and if not a color comp, atleast a very close rough sketch of Value...
Like this..
<a href="http://s87.photobucket.com/albums/k139/theadambaker/?action=view¤t=Picture5-3.png" target="_blank"><img src="http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k139/theadambaker/Picture5-3.png" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>
color comp...
<a href="http://s87.photobucket.com/albums/k139/theadambaker/?action=view¤t=Picture6-4.png" target="_blank"><img src="http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k139/theadambaker/Picture6-4.png" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>
and the pencils.. so far..
<a href="http://s87.photobucket.com/albums/k139/theadambaker/?action=view¤t=photo1237183633687.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k139/theadambaker/photo1237183633687.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>
sorry for the crap photo, these pages are for a children's book I am working on right now, and they are about 24" long, didnt' feel like scanning it yet..
but you get the point, if the client is spending big money, I want them to see EXACTLY where it's going to, so there is no surprises when the final art is delivered. y'knaw i mean?
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<blockquote><cite>xjoshuabelangerx said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>PartySmartie said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>godmachine said:</cite>I sent one client a sketch, said it was a sketch, yet they replied with 'um, we like it but it doesnt look like your other pieces, do you think you can make it more cleaner and put more detail in it for us please?'.</blockquote>
possible that this client was me?
i guess every artist has an another way to define "sketch".
i worked with you together and i was completely shocked.
we talked about if you could do a "hip hop dinosaur".
and then you were sending me a "sketch" and it looks like this
<img src="http://i44.tinypic.com/35k7mte.jpg" />
and i was like "whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?"
but just because a few artists ago send me sketches which were "the final version not inked".
and after 2-3 weeks you send me the final version and it is/was amazing
<img src="http://i40.tinypic.com/wryhc.jpg" />
but i'm soooo happy with it.
i think every artist chooses a different way to work with clients.
some keep their clients up do date and show them every new splash of color. and some send them a "sketch" and then the final verison.
however...
godmachine, you're an amazing artist</blockquote>
first off, that illustration is amazing.
second.....
you call that a SKETCH!!!!!
ahahahahaha, no way man.
check this out!
<img src="http://clients.joshuaandrewbelanger.com/thedying/THEDYINGsharksketch.jpg" />
<img src="http://cache0.emptees.com/images/57089/THEDYINGsharkemptees.gif" />
and that's not even a bad one!</blockquote>
HA! dude you nailed it, thats just like mine..the basic shape is there, but when it comes to it, you add a crap load more stuff in there! I'm gonna post up some bits when i get in to the studio tomorrow..get ready..!
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<blockquote>and for gauky, i love your art, wow a nice clean sketch you have there, where do you finish it? at Ps or Ae? do you use tablet?</blockquote>
I hand draw the linework using an age old tool know as a Biro and then add colour in Ps with a new fangled tool called a wacom.
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<a href="http://s533.photobucket.com/albums/ee338/110specialblack/diverses/?action=view¤t=sketch.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i533.photobucket.com/albums/ee338/110specialblack/diverses/sketch.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>
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<blockquote><cite>mrgauky said:</cite> <blockquote>and for gauky, i love your art, wow a nice clean sketch you have there, where do you finish it? at Ps or Ae? do you use tablet?</blockquote>
I hand draw the linework using an age old tool know as a Biro and then add colour in Ps with a new fangled tool called a wacom.</blockquote>
Hahaha Biros. AGE OLDDD!
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I swear by them, their little troopers.
I'm too heavy handed to use anything else, my big ol meat hooks destroy every other pen I've tried.
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<blockquote><cite>mrgauky said:</cite> I swear by them, their little troopers.
I'm too heavy handed to use anything else, my big ol meat hooks destroy every other pen I've tried.</blockquote>
They are troopers, I'll give them that. Haha.
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<blockquote><cite>mrgauky said:</cite> I swear by them, their little troopers.
I'm too heavy handed to use anything else, my big ol meat hooks destroy every other pen I've tried.</blockquote>
I have the new ibiro 2.0.
some kid actually said to me 'how can you no nothing about computers when you draw so good'. made me weep that did.
and i wish i could have posted my own sketch- nevermind...
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<blockquote>and i wish i could have posted my own sketch- nevermind...</blockquote>
i'm sorry
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