http://www.8164.org/pay-the-designer/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mj5IV23g-fE& 2009-07-08T17:01:26-04:00 50 2009-01-21T11:24:33-05:00 true 0 13226 false false 8975 954 1 2009-11-21T06:36:58-05:00 1048 haha amazing "Everyone else might be an asshole, but I'm not." 13226 Post 2009-01-21T11:27:54-05:00 343288 1056 2009-01-21T11:27:54-05:00 Great! 13226 Post 2009-01-21T11:30:15-05:00 343292 1567 2009-01-21T11:30:15-05:00 YES! 13226 Post 2009-01-21T11:32:06-05:00 343293 1146 2009-01-21T11:32:06-05:00 go Harlan! 13226 Post 2009-01-21T11:34:15-05:00 343297 4551 2009-01-21T11:34:15-05:00 haha yesss!.... "I don't take a piss without being paid" best thing all day. Thanks 13226 Post 2009-01-21T11:43:05-05:00 343312 7372 2009-01-21T11:43:05-05:00 That is awesome, I guess its the same story in every industry! 13226 Post 2009-01-21T11:48:23-05:00 343320 537 2009-01-21T11:48:23-05:00 That was great. I love that dude. 13226 Post 2009-01-21T11:53:00-05:00 343328 1027 2009-01-21T11:53:00-05:00 YES! i need to say that getting customers from emptees is the best, they are waaay more educated about pricing and labor-value. yup, talking about you indie clothing companies and bands that don't expect to pay peanuts! kudos to you for doing it right! 13226 Post 2009-01-21T12:01:53-05:00 343345 3643 2009-01-21T12:01:53-05:00 That was hilareous, especially towards the end. 13226 Post 2009-01-21T12:11:22-05:00 343355 5537 2009-01-21T12:11:22-05:00 What a rad dude. "I don't take a piss without getting paid for it" Love it! I'm sure this has been posted here before, but watch this - also amazing. http://www.vimeo.com/1465284 13226 Post 2009-01-21T12:15:25-05:00 343358 178 2009-01-21T12:22:24-05:00 he's my new idol! 13226 Post 2009-01-21T12:23:38-05:00 343368 8199 2009-01-21T12:23:38-05:00 That guy is a fucking hero. 13226 Post 2009-01-21T12:27:29-05:00 343377 2991 2009-01-21T12:27:29-05:00 <blockquote><cite>justinryan said:</cite> What a rad dude. "I don't take a piss without getting paid for it" Love it! I'm sure this has been posted here before, but watch this - also amazing. http://www.vimeo.com/1465284</blockquote> I watched that and it is sooo true, unfortunately too many americans have fuck all respect for the little heritage they have. In L.A people pull down awesome 1930's houses and build utter shit in it's place. Gotta hold on to what little you have otherwise you will have no reminder of past design. Fuck that stuff makes me mad and I am not even AMERICAN. shit! 13226 Post 2009-01-21T12:33:13-05:00 343383 2991 2009-01-21T12:33:13-05:00 hahaha i love "ill burn the damn thing down" i threaten to burn stuff down all the time! 13226 Post 2009-01-21T12:40:38-05:00 343396 9543 2009-01-21T12:40:38-05:00 Ahah, great ! 13226 Post 2009-01-21T12:42:53-05:00 343399 3690 2009-01-21T12:42:53-05:00 haha yes! 13226 Post 2009-01-21T12:56:48-05:00 343423 5431 2009-01-21T12:56:48-05:00 haha so funny. I hate when people come to me and they're like "Hey, I'm gonna start a band/clothing company and I'm gonna go for this style blah blah blah, and I was wondering if you could do some designs for me. I'll promote you and stuff and get your name out there!" It's like, why the fuck would I do free shit for someone who has zero connections anyways?? I don't do free stuff for the biggest companies, why would I do it for you? 13226 Post 2009-01-21T13:03:46-05:00 343434 7945 2009-01-21T13:03:46-05:00 ha ha, he's great ! when i saw the post title, i thought it's about clients who forget to pay :) and i was so prepared to name the guy who did this to me, he's here somewhere ! but since it's not that kind of post ,i will send a last e-mail to him, and if nothing appears in my account, i will make that post! 13226 Post 2009-01-21T13:04:04-05:00 343436 4661 2009-01-21T13:04:04-05:00 <blockquote><cite>whyball said:</cite> ha ha, he's great ! when i saw the post title, i thought it's about clients who forget to pay :) and i was so prepared to name the guy who did this to me, he's here somewhere ! but since it's not that kind of post ,i will send a last e-mail to him, and if nothing appears in my account, i will make that post!</blockquote> good approach!...oh wait..you sent the file before??! 13226 Post 2009-01-21T13:10:32-05:00 343443 3643 2009-01-21T13:10:56-05:00 <blockquote><cite>ez-kun said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>whyball said:</cite> ha ha, he's great ! when i saw the post title, i thought it's about clients who forget to pay :) and i was so prepared to name the guy who did this to me, he's here somewhere ! but since it's not that kind of post ,i will send a last e-mail to him, and if nothing appears in my account, i will make that post!</blockquote> good approach!...oh wait..you sent the file before??!</blockquote> no way! but i have worked a bit on the design. 13226 Post 2009-01-21T13:18:34-05:00 343455 4661 2009-01-21T13:18:34-05:00 <blockquote><cite>whyball said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>ez-kun said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>whyball said:</cite> ha ha, he's great ! when i saw the post title, i thought it's about clients who forget to pay :) and i was so prepared to name the guy who did this to me, he's here somewhere ! but since it's not that kind of post ,i will send a last e-mail to him, and if nothing appears in my account, i will make that post!</blockquote> good approach!...oh wait..you sent the file before??!</blockquote> no way! but i have worked a bit on the design.</blockquote> bah, i know how it feels... i completed a design, she even sent me the contract, i sent it back signed and waited for the money...nothing. no replies to my mail ever since. work done for nothing, the design by its nature is very custom, thus unusable for anyone else:( 13226 Post 2009-01-21T13:22:10-05:00 343461 3643 2009-01-21T13:22:10-05:00 so amazing!!! that seriously happens so much. i love that guy for speaking the truth and not sugar coating it!! 13226 Post 2009-01-21T13:27:14-05:00 343472 7055 2009-01-21T13:27:46-05:00 I know this will be the highlight of my week and it´s only Wednesday. 13226 Post 2009-01-21T13:28:07-05:00 343474 2879 2009-01-21T13:28:07-05:00 thank you. 13226 Post 2009-01-21T13:56:06-05:00 343505 2802 2009-01-21T13:56:06-05:00 I love harlan ellison! speaking the truth. 13226 Post 2009-01-21T14:01:17-05:00 343512 173 2009-01-21T14:01:17-05:00 i wish someone could pay me to piss... That video was brill 13226 Post 2009-01-21T14:06:01-05:00 343518 6159 2009-01-21T14:06:01-05:00 "you go to the mother fucking store to buy it." haha 13226 Post 2009-01-21T14:06:09-05:00 343519 10250 2009-01-21T14:06:09-05:00 this man is brilliant!! 13226 Post 2009-01-21T19:32:17-05:00 343924 1259 2009-01-21T19:32:17-05:00 Is this Lewis Blacks brother? lol 13226 Post 2009-01-21T19:50:39-05:00 343932 6141 2009-01-21T19:50:39-05:00 Hear that amateurs charge more money. (My rates are going up now) This has always bothered me too, why do clients think that doodle work should be free. My guess is that they think drawing (or whatever) is easy and not "real" work, the only reason they are asking me do to it is because they can't be bothered to do it themselves, with there busy lives or what have you. I mean most people can write, but that's not the same as creative writing. 13226 Post 2009-01-21T19:54:05-05:00 343935 506 2009-01-21T20:02:17-05:00 dude is bad ass 13226 Post 2009-01-21T20:16:47-05:00 343946 5847 2009-01-21T20:16:47-05:00 Chris, I feel like I owe you money for presenting me with this! SO AMAZING. It's like someone is saying everything I think. 13226 Post 2009-01-21T20:19:40-05:00 343951 1827 2009-01-21T20:19:40-05:00 <blockquote><cite>Harlan Ellison said:</cite> I'll sell my soul, but at the highest rates.</blockquote> My new favorite quote. 13226 Post 2009-01-21T20:19:42-05:00 343952 506 2009-01-21T20:19:42-05:00 that was great 13226 Post 2009-01-21T20:34:45-05:00 343963 1404 2009-01-21T20:34:45-05:00 Wow I love this guy! <blockquote><cite>quakerninja said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>Harlan Ellison said:</cite> I'll sell my soul, but at the highest rates.</blockquote> My new favorite quote.</blockquote> +1 13226 Post 2009-01-21T21:18:28-05:00 344020 1855 2009-01-21T21:18:28-05:00 best thread in a long time...great! 13226 Post 2009-01-21T21:49:36-05:00 344066 3518 2009-01-21T21:49:36-05:00 I wish that guy was my grandpa 13226 Post 2009-01-21T22:07:46-05:00 344084 7069 2009-01-21T22:07:46-05:00 oh shit this is exactly what I needed!!! 13226 Post 2009-01-21T22:10:45-05:00 344085 7515 2009-01-21T22:10:45-05:00 Love it! So it would be bad to show this to potential clients eh!?! "You could go to the store and but it mufucker!" so classic! 13226 Post 2009-01-21T22:49:56-05:00 344128 5341 2009-01-21T22:51:09-05:00 <blockquote><cite>quakerninja said:</cite> Hear that amateurs charge more money. (My rates are going up now) This has always bothered me too, why do clients think that doodle work should be free. My guess is that they think drawing (or whatever) is easy and not "real" work, the only reason they are asking me do to it is because they can't be bothered to do it themselves, with there busy lives or what have you. I mean most people can write, but that's not the same as creative writing.</blockquote> exactly, my dad bitches all the time and is like "youre goign to have to get a "real" job" like, right now, i dont really have much work, so i guess he thinks i wont be successful, i dont think he gets that it takes time to get recognized as any kind of artist. 13226 Post 2009-01-21T23:35:18-05:00 344183 8975 2009-01-21T23:35:18-05:00 This should be under the "Resources" section for "What to say when clients offer you 'good publicity'." 13226 Post 2009-01-21T23:41:58-05:00 344188 1259 2009-01-21T23:41:58-05:00 Good stuff. Applies to any creative profession. When you are DJ or band, you are often asked to play unpaid at gigs 'for pulicity' or worse 'for da cause', too. 13226 Post 2009-01-22T07:57:28-05:00 344478 7859 2009-01-22T07:57:28-05:00 I think we should have him as an honorary member on Emptees. 13226 Post 2009-01-22T08:29:53-05:00 344489 2471 2009-01-22T08:29:53-05:00 glad people dug it. EVERYBODY needs to get paid REGARDLESS of how new you are to the creative field. PERIOD. 13226 Post 2009-01-22T09:31:30-05:00 344528 954 2009-01-22T09:31:30-05:00 <blockquote><cite>dylanmaker. said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>quakerninja said:</cite> Hear that amateurs charge more money. (My rates are going up now) This has always bothered me too, why do clients think that doodle work should be free. My guess is that they think drawing (or whatever) is easy and not "real" work, the only reason they are asking me do to it is because they can't be bothered to do it themselves, with there busy lives or what have you. I mean most people can write, but that's not the same as creative writing.</blockquote> exactly, my dad bitches all the time and is like "youre goign to have to get a "real" job" like, right now, i dont really have much work, so i guess he thinks i wont be successful, i dont think he gets that it takes time to get recognized as any kind of artist.</blockquote> i think you myspace URL actually could be holding you back 13226 Post 2009-01-22T10:11:12-05:00 344556 1208 2009-01-22T10:11:12-05:00 bump for all the newbs 13226 Post 2009-07-08T16:34:08-04:00 1513711 1876 2009-07-08T16:34:08-04:00 still brilliant 13226 Post 2009-07-08T16:42:23-04:00 1513841 2991 2009-07-08T16:42:23-04:00 <blockquote><cite>wotto said:</cite> still brilliant</blockquote> 13226 Post 2009-07-08T16:43:02-04:00 1513871 7196 2009-07-08T16:43:02-04:00 That dude it's my hero. 13226 Post 2009-07-08T16:56:58-04:00 1514101 12918 2009-07-08T16:56:58-04:00 i actually saw the whole movie on sundance the other day, it was great. 13226 Post 2009-07-08T17:01:26-04:00 1514171 8975 2009-07-08T17:01:26-04:00