Randomly putting baked items on t-shirts and having an entire brand revolve around it is free for anyone to do. I don't own food. However, I did indeed start this brand of mine 8 years ago, having it's main focus be revolved around cupcakes and anything associated with it. In the independent t-shirt industry, I believe I was the first person to go all out with this cupcake / baking motif. I've made a tremendous amount of sacrifices and risks to make it the homegrown, family run, fun, limited business that it is, since I dropped out of high school and sold my t-shirts out of my rusty car. With my brands main focus on my customers and their experience, I think I've been doing a pretty swell job at it. Last Spring I was alerted by a customer who happened to work at a popular mall sportswear store. This customer of mine caught a glimpse of his manager’s catalog which had various items that were being released in the near future at all of their mall locations. One of the items in this companies catalog was a "Make Pastry Not War" t-shirt. Not only was it a very similar slogan, but it had the same EXACT placement, font, EVEN A CUPCAKE in the center of the t-shirt. This was no coincidence. Weeks later my inbox was flooded with furious Johnny Cupcakes customers who saw this same catalog with the 'Pastry' design in it. I could of made a big deal about it online, making everyone else aware of it. Instead, I decided not to be a cry baby and post it all over the internet, so I sought out a different route. I decided to contact my trademark attorney, who then contacted the owners of Pastry / Pastry Kicks. We got in touch with the President of a certain mall chain-store who ended up declining the order of all 'Make Pastry Not War' t-shirts. <img src="http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/1842/pastrywarcomparisongg3.jpg" /> Recently I've received several e-mails from confused and upset customers of mine. Now, 2 other designs have appeared on their website. You be the judge... <img src="http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/2250/pastrysupportcomparisonfw8.jpg" /> <img src="http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/2941/pastryfreshlybakedcompaxn8.jpg" /> The thing that baffles me, is why would two girls who're famous via MTV, have to stoop so low to create such similar items, never mind brand? Maybe they're both really great girls who happened to hire some not-so-great designers? I'm not sure what the case is, but I do know that this should be brought to everyone's attention. *I obviously know what the situation might be. Like I said, maybe they are great people who happened to hire a not-so-great designer. But I already legally fought one of the shirts that they came out with. So them coming out with 2 MORE similar shirts shortly afterward is way too suspicious. It would be nice if the designer of the t-shirts got called out/fired, and then an apology was sent to me. 2009-01-15T22:14:35-05:00 72 2009-01-15T12:40:12-05:00 12967 true false 14 4903 1 2009-11-07T16:14:51-05:00 2192 lemme call up the Rev. 12967 Post 2009-01-15T12:44:23-05:00 335900 881 2009-01-15T12:44:38-05:00 Who are the MTV girls? It better not be LC or Audrina...I freaking love them! Thats redic...ps 12967 Post 2009-01-15T12:44:35-05:00 335901 433 2009-01-15T12:44:35-05:00 they probably have a unlimited budget and all the have is type tee's, and yes i think the first one is definately a rip 12967 Post 2009-01-15T12:44:46-05:00 335902 10413 2009-01-15T12:44:46-05:00 <blockquote><cite>beth said:</cite> Who are the MTV girls? It better not be LC or Audrina...I freaking love them! Thats redic...ps</blockquote> They are Rev RUN's daughters Thats craziness bro, any chance u can link the design? I cant find it on their site 12967 Post 2009-01-15T12:47:23-05:00 335905 1498 2009-01-15T12:48:09-05:00 <blockquote><cite>LitoQ said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>beth said:</cite> Who are the MTV girls? It better not be LC or Audrina...I freaking love them! Thats redic...ps</blockquote> They are Rev RUN's daughters... thats crazy bro, any chance u can link the design? I cant find it on their site</blockquote> GTFO! Those chicks annoy me. I moved to LA too...I dont have a freaking TV show about me being lame. I dont think I would notice the last two unless you showed it like you did with all of them together. seems shady. 12967 Post 2009-01-15T12:49:01-05:00 335906 433 2009-01-15T12:49:01-05:00 it should be on their site under tops, you just have to click 'view all' 12967 Post 2009-01-15T12:50:25-05:00 335907 4903 2009-01-15T12:50:25-05:00 this sucks, ill def spread the word. you should find out who made this one too, completely tasteless... <a href="http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v178/burlymugg/?action=view&current=MPNW.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v178/burlymugg/MPNW.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a> 12967 Post 2009-01-15T12:50:25-05:00 335908 1106 2009-01-15T12:50:25-05:00 What the hell... Do they think you wont notice? What have you done man? 12967 Post 2009-01-15T12:51:46-05:00 335910 5982 2009-01-15T12:51:46-05:00 Unfortunately, the manticores have disbanded. I'd say the designs are definitely based on your brand. THe "make pastry not war" design is definitely a rip. 12967 Post 2009-01-15T12:52:21-05:00 335911 1259 2009-01-15T12:52:21-05:00 im sure those girls have no design input, just fund the money, but thats pretty fucked. i saw the war rip a long time ago, but three is kind of ridiculous. especially being such a high profile company to rip is beyond tasteless. 12967 Post 2009-01-15T12:52:59-05:00 335913 1271 2009-01-15T12:52:59-05:00 wow dude, that is really bad 12967 Post 2009-01-15T12:53:29-05:00 335915 2456 2009-01-15T12:53:29-05:00 <blockquote><cite>Johnny Cupcakes said:</cite> it should be on their site under tops, you just have to click 'view all'</blockquote> yeah man my bad, your images were blocked for me, just saw em on my phone... thats crap 12967 Post 2009-01-15T12:55:07-05:00 335918 1498 2009-01-15T12:55:15-05:00 @Johnny Do you have a trademark on "Freshly Baked" or "Support Your Local Bakery/Pastry Shop"? 12967 Post 2009-01-15T12:57:06-05:00 335920 265 2009-01-15T12:57:06-05:00 http://www.pastrykicks.com/pastryclothes/fresh-baked-tee/ http://www.pastrykicks.com/pastryclothes/pastry-shop-tee-black/ I can't understand how someone with a budget like that would have to rip-off someone. 12967 Post 2009-01-15T12:59:17-05:00 335922 9849 2009-01-15T13:00:20-05:00 <blockquote><cite>skull with hair said:</cite> this sucks, ill def spread the word. you should find out who made this one too, completely tasteless... <a href="http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v178/burlymugg/?action=view&current=MPNW.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v178/burlymugg/MPNW.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a></blockquote> do want. 12967 Post 2009-01-15T13:01:37-05:00 335923 2973 2009-01-15T13:01:37-05:00 you can leave comments under the style.... 12967 Post 2009-01-15T13:05:09-05:00 335927 1107 2009-01-15T13:05:09-05:00 Shit's whack. Especially the first one. 12967 Post 2009-01-15T13:08:17-05:00 335931 2465 2009-01-15T13:08:17-05:00 these girls were handed a "brand" and even if they are awesome girls they are still responsible for double checking what they are releasing under the Pastry name. I guarantee they hired some freelance "artist" who just ripped a popular JC design. Although the other 2 are not exact rip offs, it is hard to overlook due to the previous infractions. With so much money you would THINK hiring creative people would not be an issue. tisk tisk 12967 Post 2009-01-15T13:08:48-05:00 335932 9002 2009-01-15T13:08:48-05:00 That's crazy! Eveyone on here should take a minute to contact Pastry and let then know your thoughts on this obvious rip... Good luck Johnny! 12967 Post 2009-01-15T13:26:09-05:00 335948 3744 2009-01-15T13:26:09-05:00 <blockquote><cite>beth said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>LitoQ said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>beth said:</cite> Who are the MTV girls? It better not be LC or Audrina...I freaking love them! Thats redic...ps</blockquote> They are Rev RUN's daughters... thats crazy bro, any chance u can link the design? I cant find it on their site</blockquote> GTFO! Those chicks annoy me. I moved to LA too...I dont have a freaking TV show about me being lame. I dont think I would notice the last two unless you showed it like you did with all of them together. seems shady.</blockquote> i hate them lame ass hills chicks, that show is so fucking fake and you probably didnt get a show cause your a nobody lol i think they’re both just really great girls who happened to hire some not-so-great designers! 12967 Post 2009-01-15T13:29:07-05:00 335954 9184 2009-01-15T13:29:07-05:00 oh man cocksuckers 12967 Post 2009-01-15T13:38:14-05:00 335971 7336 2009-01-15T13:38:14-05:00 i just did a drive-by using their comments feature.. looks like some other people have also 12967 Post 2009-01-15T13:40:02-05:00 335972 9051 2009-01-15T13:40:02-05:00 That's so lame Johnny. You would think they might learn after the first incident. 12967 Post 2009-01-15T13:40:19-05:00 335974 4851 2009-01-15T13:40:19-05:00 Anyone else think pastry isnt the same thing as cake anyway? Or is that an english thing? Pastry is like, pies and sausage rolls... 12967 Post 2009-01-15T13:45:39-05:00 335977 1307 2009-01-15T13:45:39-05:00 <blockquote><cite>skull with hair said:</cite> this sucks, ill def spread the word. you should find out who made this one too, completely tasteless... <a href="http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v178/burlymugg/?action=view&current=MPNW.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v178/burlymugg/MPNW.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a></blockquote> <img src="http://i404.photobucket.com/albums/pp122/chaddoesdesign/sexytime.jpg" /> I still cant believe I haven't seen these rolled out yet.lol 12967 Post 2009-01-15T13:49:26-05:00 335979 664 2009-01-15T13:59:38-05:00 Sorry Johnny, alot of bigger brands have been copying you. Ever get that thing settled with Billabong? 12967 Post 2009-01-15T13:49:41-05:00 335980 6162 2009-01-15T13:49:41-05:00 <blockquote><cite>bsig03 said:</cite> That's crazy! Eveyone on here should take a minute to contact Pastry and let then know your thoughts on this obvious rip... Good luck Johnny!</blockquote> Thank you guys (and girls) - I really appreciate it. I guess their other contact number is; 212-246-1900 And it looks like these are actual e-mail address's of people who represent Pastry; dennisd@vidagoup.com kimsnow@vidagroup.com kevinstorch@vidagroup.com davidm@vidagroup.com alharris@vidagroup.com and I'm not sure if these e-mail address's even go to anyone, but it's worth a shot; help@pastrykicks.com hr@adjmi-apparel.com Feel free to e-mail them your professional opinions, along with the 3 comparison images. Let me know if you hear anything back. And again, they might be great girls who just happened to hire some really awful, lazy designers who should be fired. 12967 Post 2009-01-15T14:10:23-05:00 335993 4903 2009-01-15T14:16:22-05:00 pastry does not equal a sausage roll in my neck of the woods 12967 Post 2009-01-15T14:12:00-05:00 335995 7336 2009-01-15T14:12:00-05:00 you should trademark all your stuff so you can sue there a$$ the next time they pull off a stunt like this lol 12967 Post 2009-01-15T14:13:15-05:00 335997 9184 2009-01-15T14:13:15-05:00 <blockquote><cite>benzoe88 said:</cite> you should trademark all your stuff so you can sue there a$$ the next time they pull off a stunt like this lol</blockquote> that would cost a lot of dough(lol) 12967 Post 2009-01-15T14:22:34-05:00 336008 664 2009-01-15T14:22:34-05:00 When you comment on their site it says "pastry shoes fan ______ _______"... haha 12967 Post 2009-01-15T14:27:06-05:00 336013 1876 2009-01-15T14:27:06-05:00 Well, I'm sure the "Daddy's Girls" have absolutely no idea that the designs were stolen because they probably have nothing to do with design process whatsoever, and the scummy designers.. you know they made a pretty penny of this one, so they don't even care. I just can't believe how close the first one is... Like seriously, who in their right mind would go and do something like that, and not even change the font or anything? That's just messed up. GOOD LUCK JOHNNY! 12967 Post 2009-01-15T14:31:10-05:00 336017 10434 2009-01-15T14:31:10-05:00 By the way, your shirts are obviously by far superior to the pastry ones, so I hope this works out okay for you by bringing you lots of attention in the press/media and such. I'm sure everyone will realize that your designs are way cooler! 12967 Post 2009-01-15T14:33:24-05:00 336019 10434 2009-01-15T14:33:24-05:00 i know it's all a bit upsetting for you but it is actually a huge compliment to your brand the sincerest form of flattery as they say... good luck - what pisses me off is that having a cupcake on a pastry shirt makes no sense - cupcakes aren't pastry 12967 Post 2009-01-15T14:33:51-05:00 336020 5148 2009-01-15T14:33:51-05:00 The "hr@adjmi-apparel.com" email address rejected my e-mail. Has this happened for anybody else? 12967 Post 2009-01-15T14:42:12-05:00 336024 10434 2009-01-15T14:42:12-05:00 1 judging as how grenade had "make gloves not war" as their slogan since around 2000 think they beat out both of you tasty treats 2 i will give you that as a rip 3 lot of people do fresh baked sorry -smoke purps 12967 Post 2009-01-15T14:49:39-05:00 336029 1499 2009-01-15T14:49:39-05:00 <blockquote><cite>benzoe88 said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>beth said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>LitoQ said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>beth said:</cite> Who are the MTV girls? It better not be LC or Audrina...I freaking love them! Thats redic...ps</blockquote> They are Rev RUN's daughters... thats crazy bro, any chance u can link the design? I cant find it on their site</blockquote> GTFO! Those chicks annoy me. I moved to LA too...I dont have a freaking TV show about me being lame. I dont think I would notice the last two unless you showed it like you did with all of them together. seems shady.</blockquote> i hate them lame ass hills chicks, that show is so fucking fake and you probably didnt get a show cause your a nobody lol i think they’re both just really great girls who happened to hire some not-so-great designers!</blockquote> As the only female above the age of 20 on this site.... Lauren and Audrina were nobodies too....LC got a show in High School with The OC was the show to watch and she was some kid who just gota show about high school. I highly doubt that the Runs DMC show is any more realistic than the hills! At Least the Hills isnt obnoxious. If I wanted to hear parents Nag I would move back home with my parents. 12967 Post 2009-01-15T14:54:15-05:00 336033 433 2009-01-15T14:54:15-05:00 <blockquote><cite>greens said:</cite> 1 judging as how grenade had "make gloves not war" as their slogan since around 2000 think they beat out both of you tasty treats 2 i will give you that as a rip 3 lot of people do fresh baked sorry -smoke purps</blockquote> True dat...I've seen a lot of fresh baked ones.. but for sure the 1st one is full rip..and second...like almost full rip..:) I need to make a progress bar about this one day! 12967 Post 2009-01-15T15:04:07-05:00 336050 7321 2009-01-15T15:04:07-05:00 <blockquote><cite>beth said:</cite> As the only female above the age of 20 on this site.... Lauren and Audrina were nobodies too....LC got a show in High School with The OC was the show to watch and she was some kid who just gota show about high school. I highly doubt that the Runs DMC show is any more realistic than the hills! At Least the Hills isnt obnoxious. If I wanted to hear parents Nag I would move back home with my parents.</blockquote> im not trying to hijack this post but the hills is fake, when the camera is off and miss a argument or fight they have to re-act the shit in front of the camera. i know most of reality tv is fake but the hills is the extra fake runs house is as real as it gets. 12967 Post 2009-01-15T15:09:58-05:00 336063 9184 2009-01-15T15:09:58-05:00 I just feel like starting a brand with the name Pastry, is already stepping on toes . With the name Pastry branding is going more then likely going to be based around baked goods/dessert type stuff. And if there is someone out there (johnny cupcakes) already taking that route then should of gave their brand name a 2nd thought. I guess the girl's didn't do their research enough. So its bound to happen where they are going to bite shirt designs and concepts, deliberately or by chance, its the nature of the beast that could of been avoided if they did some research or took a different route. 12967 Post 2009-01-15T15:11:29-05:00 336067 2799 2009-01-15T15:11:29-05:00 the grammar doesn't even make sense! 12967 Post 2009-01-15T15:14:28-05:00 336072 1146 2009-01-15T15:14:28-05:00 The thing is Johnny, they are copying your designs and making them look crap. The originals are miles better!! 12967 Post 2009-01-15T15:15:26-05:00 336074 5804 2009-01-15T15:15:26-05:00 Thank you everyone. Let me know if you get any responses back. This blows.. 12967 Post 2009-01-15T15:28:50-05:00 336091 4903 2009-01-15T15:28:50-05:00 Wow, i hate to see this Johnny. The fact that people are attempting to bite off of your success and make knock offs that dont even do the brand justice is bad enough, but i imagine that the time and energy involved with trying to prevent this type of blatant image and idea stealing must be quite costly to you as a business man. 12967 Post 2009-01-15T15:30:58-05:00 336094 1822 2009-01-15T15:30:58-05:00 <blockquote><cite>derekdeal said:</cite> the grammar doesn't even make sense!</blockquote> ! 12967 Post 2009-01-15T15:32:06-05:00 336096 1404 2009-01-15T15:32:06-05:00 That is just crazy. They have a similar brand which is fine, but come out with your own original designs. Take $5000 from daddy and get some designers from emptee's to make some amazing shirts LOL. There are some really great original designers out there that can knock some really detailed designs off. 12967 Post 2009-01-15T15:40:12-05:00 336107 11186 2009-01-15T15:40:12-05:00 <img src="http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/4664/pastrypartyov7.jpg" /> 12967 Post 2009-01-15T15:45:49-05:00 336116 4903 2009-01-15T15:45:49-05:00 that's some high profile rippin!! 12967 Post 2009-01-15T15:55:12-05:00 336124 3168 2009-01-15T15:55:12-05:00 <blockquote><cite>Johnny Cupcakes said:</cite> <img src="http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/4664/pastrypartyov7.jpg" /></blockquote> damn that was a fucked up move i lost a lot of respect for them i just emailed them and blasted them lol 12967 Post 2009-01-15T15:56:22-05:00 336126 9184 2009-01-15T15:56:22-05:00 THIS SUUUCKS. The similarity in the first shirts is so close I can't even believe. I'm sorry Johnny. BUMMER. I wonder who prints pastry. I wonder if they know of JC. 12967 Post 2009-01-15T15:57:22-05:00 336127 2050 2009-01-15T15:57:22-05:00 <blockquote><cite>isaboa said:</cite> pastry does not equal a sausage roll in my neck of the woods</blockquote> Well i would say it was a savoury pastry along with a pasty :) But hey i'm British . Maybe they should have shirts on with Don't Be Nasty Have A Pasty On a more serious note some dicks broke into my storage place an pinched some of my stock so i can only imagine how it must feel to have your designs stolen... 12967 Post 2009-01-15T16:04:37-05:00 336138 6159 2009-01-15T16:07:22-05:00 <blockquote><cite>bandwagonmerch said:</cite> THIS SUUUCKS. The similarity in the first shirts is so close I can't even believe. I'm sorry Johnny. BUMMER. I wonder who prints pastry. I wonder if they know of JC.</blockquote> So I just read on a blog that you were taking legal act on the firsts one. Is that true? 12967 Post 2009-01-15T16:06:44-05:00 336141 3168 2009-01-15T16:06:44-05:00 I have written now to pastry! Thats really crazy! but...copiright has a function? -.- 12967 Post 2009-01-15T16:15:31-05:00 336150 2872 2009-01-15T16:15:31-05:00 <blockquote><cite>Johnny Cupcakes said:</cite> <img src="http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/4664/pastrypartyov7.jpg" /></blockquote> Well now that's just straight wrong. I'd have more respect for them if it was just a designer that works for them that stole your designs, but seeing the design themselves and creating or having something created based off of it? Thats messed up! 12967 Post 2009-01-15T16:18:46-05:00 336156 10434 2009-01-15T16:18:46-05:00 I made the same mistake once, but 3 times in a row, wow he doesn't get the picture 12967 Post 2009-01-15T16:50:18-05:00 336186 10656 2009-01-15T16:50:18-05:00 That is such a shame. Helping to spread, posted on my blog and on Twitter: http://www.cotygonzales.com/2009/01/15/pastry-tries-to-imitate-johnny-cupcakes/ 12967 Post 2009-01-15T18:04:51-05:00 336297 7038 2009-01-15T18:04:51-05:00 One year ago / In 2008, a crack commando unit was sent to prison by a military court ironically for plagiarism. These men promptly escaped from a maximum security starbucks to the interwebbernets underground. Today, still wanted by the government, they survive as designers of fortunes. If you have a grievance, if no one else cares, and if you can find them, maybe you can hire... The Westside Mordore Manticores. Hop in <a href="http://www.stumpnet.net/themes/A-Team%20Song.mp3">The Van</a> 12967 Post 2009-01-15T18:18:25-05:00 336314 506 2009-01-15T18:29:41-05:00 I sent them a nasty email haha hopefully that helps. Theyre just a couple rich girls trying to be richer, I'm sure they know what JohnnyCupcakes is. 12967 Post 2009-01-15T18:25:32-05:00 336318 5847 2009-01-15T18:25:48-05:00 Here is my 2 cents before everyone starts to rip the owners... 1. the owners are not always involved in every detail including the designs parts. As weird as it may sound they really might not know there ripping someone. 2. lets face it everyone on Emptees knows who JC is but JC is still an indie brand and if you went around asking who Johnny Cupcakes is 95% of the people you would ask wouldn't know. 3. Also I hope you handle this well because we tend to forget because we love you so much but you were in the same shoes as these chicks a little bit ago when you were accused of ripping someone and remember how it made you feel. So do take that into consideration with how you handle this situation. Unfortunately, I don't think this time around it is going to be as smooth as the other incident because the group your working with is a little more "hollywood" Also I know you are probably pissed/ angry/ wondering why the hell someone would do this to the company that is your life? Well there is one way to look at it right now that at least might help you for now to "cool off" is that no one rips a shitty company. So be honored that someone would go out of there way THREE times to rip you cause they clearly envy you and your work! So keep your head up! JC is and always will be better then mtv pastry shit. 12967 Post 2009-01-15T18:31:57-05:00 336326 1067 2009-01-15T18:31:57-05:00 <blockquote><cite>quakerninja said:</cite> One year ago / In 2008, a crack commando unit was sent to prison by a military court for a crime they didn't commit. These men promptly escaped from a maximum security stockade to the interwebbernets underground. Today, still wanted by the government, they survive as soldiers of fortune. If you have a problem, if no one else can help, and if you can find them, maybe you can hire... The Westside Mordore Manticores. Hop in <a href="http://www.stumpnet.net/themes/A-Team%20Song.mp3">The Van</a></blockquote> I'm there, let me change into my manticore outfit. 12967 Post 2009-01-15T18:32:40-05:00 336329 3005 2009-01-15T18:32:40-05:00 Something more practical, have you tried contacting MTV News with this. Yes it s mud and gossip, but handling this like a gentleman out where everyone can see, would do great things as far as promotion and what have you. Personal feeling aside. This could be the underdog story of the year. GO Johnny. 12967 Post 2009-01-15T18:40:55-05:00 336339 506 2009-01-15T18:40:55-05:00 extra extra read all about it JC and pastries is going to war lol 12967 Post 2009-01-15T19:20:22-05:00 336385 9184 2009-01-15T19:20:22-05:00 sue them??????and when you win, ill take free JC clothes for life? Seriously lame of them, their show on MTV sucks too! 12967 Post 2009-01-15T20:14:34-05:00 336457 6758 2009-01-15T20:14:34-05:00 <blockquote><cite>redemptionclothing said:</cite> sue them??????and when you win, ill take free JC clothes for life? Seriously lame of them, their show on MTV sucks too!</blockquote> no offense but JC is not going to sue them. Nor should he. It would cost A LOT of money with lawyer and court fees over 3 tees? that would be a pretty big risk. 12967 Post 2009-01-15T20:34:23-05:00 336473 1067 2009-01-15T20:34:23-05:00 who needs lawyers when u can have manticores 12967 Post 2009-01-15T20:36:39-05:00 336475 3804 2009-01-15T20:36:39-05:00 <blockquote> As the only female above the age of 20 on this site.... </blockquote> Not true! I'm 23 12967 Post 2009-01-15T20:48:48-05:00 336485 9002 2009-01-15T20:48:48-05:00 <blockquote><cite>Oo Lori oO said:</cite> <blockquote> As the only female above the age of 20 on this site.... </blockquote> Not true! I'm 23</blockquote> Ah Beth you 'tard, I'm 25! 12967 Post 2009-01-15T20:51:14-05:00 336487 3005 2009-01-15T20:51:14-05:00 <blockquote><cite>Time Without the E said:</cite> <blockquote><cite>redemptionclothing said:</cite> sue them??????and when you win, ill take free JC clothes for life? Seriously lame of them, their show on MTV sucks too!</blockquote> no offense but JC is not going to sue them. Nor should he. It would cost A LOT of money with lawyer and court fees over 3 tees? that would be a pretty big risk.</blockquote> that's why I was asking. 12967 Post 2009-01-15T21:32:53-05:00 336548 3168 2009-01-15T21:32:53-05:00 <blockquote><cite>Time Without the E said:</cite> Here is my 2 cents before everyone starts to rip the owners... 1. the owners are not always involved in every detail including the designs parts. As weird as it may sound they really might not know there ripping someone. 2. lets face it everyone on Emptees knows who JC is but JC is still an indie brand and if you went around asking who Johnny Cupcakes is 95% of the people you would ask wouldn't know. 3. Also I hope you handle this well because we tend to forget because we love you so much but you were in the same shoes as these chicks a little bit ago when you were accused of ripping someone and remember how it made you feel. So do take that into consideration with how you handle this situation. Unfortunately, I don't think this time around it is going to be as smooth as the other incident because the group your working with is a little more "hollywood" Also I know you are probably pissed/ angry/ wondering why the hell someone would do this to the company that is your life? Well there is one way to look at it right now that at least might help you for now to "cool off" is that no one rips a shitty company. So be honored that someone would go out of there way THREE times to rip you cause they clearly envy you and your work! So keep your head up! JC is and always will be better then mtv pastry shit.</blockquote> 1.) That is true. That's why I said, "they might be great people/great girls who just happened to hire a not-so-great designer. The only thing that makes me upset is the fact that we already legally battled the Make Pastry Not War design, so they are well aware of my brand. Those other two similar shirts were slaps in the face. 2.)Yep. 3.) I know, and I didn't design that t-shirt that had similar + exact letter stylings of another. That's why I had some sort of sympathy for Pastry when I first went after them for the Make Pastry Not War shirt. I did this without telling anyone. Without posting about it anywhere. It was a hard thing to keep my mouth shut about. But I did. I did until I recently caught wind of these t-shirts that are already in stores. Like I said in 1.) - it feels like a slap in the face. I'm not looking for much, just for people to be aware. I wouldn't of said anything if I didn't get hundreds of e-mails and questions from confused Johnny Cupcakes customers who think I collaborated with Pastry, and who think that I sold out to mall-stores across the nation (which totally tarnishes my brand because this entire foundation and brand that I've built is based off exclusivity.) It's hard to be honored that someone is ripping me off several times and getting away with it. 12967 Post 2009-01-15T22:04:36-05:00 336575 4903 2009-01-15T22:04:36-05:00 <blockquote><cite>quakerninja said:</cite> Something more practical, have you tried contacting MTV News with this. Yes it s mud and gossip, but handling this like a gentleman out where everyone can see, would do great things as far as promotion and what have you. Personal feeling aside. This could be the underdog story of the year. GO Johnny.</blockquote> Nah. I'm more concerned with just letting my customers know about it. I don't want them being tricked into buying the similar t-shirts or being upset at my brand for seeing / thinking they're seeing, Johnny Cupcakes t-shirt in malls across the nation. 12967 Post 2009-01-15T22:06:32-05:00 336576 4903 2009-01-15T22:06:32-05:00 <blockquote><cite>redemptionclothing said:</cite> sue them??????and when you win, ill take free JC clothes for life? Seriously lame of them, their show on MTV sucks too!</blockquote> I'm not sure what I'm going to do or what I want to do? Honestly, like I had mentioned, I just want my customers to be aware so they're not so confused and didn't think I sold out to mall-stores. An apology from Pastry might be nice. The t-shirts are already being sold and the damage is being, and has been done, to my brand already. It would also be nice to know that the designer of the t-shirts is called out and fired. If for the slightest reason Pastry doesn't know about me (which I highly doubt) - I sorta feel bad that their brand (even though it's super similar to mine) is getting a bad rep because of their half ass designer(s). 12967 Post 2009-01-15T22:12:43-05:00 336585 4903 2009-01-15T22:12:43-05:00 fuck mtv news! contact perezhilton! 12967 Post 2009-01-15T22:14:35-05:00 336586 14 2009-01-15T22:14:35-05:00